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: Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:26 am  
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JMT simply appears to have collected the best/worse (depending on your viewpoint) from this forum over the past month or so and stuck it all together in a single post. As it happens I share his point of view or to put it another way he shares mine and the others who got in there first.


Just my honest opinion, not intended to be a compilation of the best/worst posts. I know not everyone agrees with everything as some seem to think that Gibson should never make the first team again. I, on the other hand, think he's been harshly dropped, has potential and is our best option for right centre at the moment. Some also seem to agree with Peter Smith re. second row but I think we have got far more pressing priorities that need addressing. However I expect many will agree with some points as I think they're obvious - the persitent flaws of bad discipline, poor kicking game and lack of ideas/structure/cohesion on attack. As I said, my gravest concern is that these were all too evident against Saints and were simply repeated against Bradford so they had not been addressed at all successfully. They, rather than recruitment, are our biggest priority at the moment and I think Bluey has got some work to do. I should also have included that one person who should be free from criticism is Jamie Peacock - he was our best at Odsal in my opinion and certainly our best on Monday - the only one who didn't disappoint and didn't deserve to be on the losing side. Wholehearted effort, scored a good try and was very good supporting Webb when he had just passed the interception pass that guaranteed defeat.
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: Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:30 am  
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Tetchy? :lol:


If you like. If he'd been saying it since the Warrington game he'd get more plaudits though. :wink:

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Just my honest opinion


And nothing wrong with expressing it. My only issue here is these problems have been evident long before the St Helens cup game you keep going back to. For me it's an issue with the strength of the squad assembled for this season and has been all along. The coach hasn't been given all the tools he requires to do the job. Some of the tools he has been given are breaking down and could do with a week in the repair shop but he hasn't been given enough back up's of the required standard so he's opting to keep the blunt ones in his bag.
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: Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:45 am  
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And nothing wrong with expressing it. My only issue here is these problems have been evident long before the St Helens cup game you keep going back to. For me it's an issue with the strength of the squad assembled for this season and has been all along. The coach hasn't been given all the tools he requires to do the job. Some of the tools he has been given are breaking down and could do with a week in the repair shop but he hasn't been given enough back up's of the required standard so he's opting to keep the blunt ones in his bag.


And regardless of what the season ends with, you have been proven exactly right at this time with those comments.
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: Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:45 am  
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If you like. If he'd been saying it since the Warrington game he'd get more plaudits though. :wink:



And nothing wrong with expressing it. My only issue here is these problems have been evident long before the St Helens cup game you keep going back to. For me it's an issue with the strength of the squad assembled for this season and has been all along. The coach hasn't been given all the tools he requires to do the job. Some of the tools he has been given are breaking down and could do with a week in the repair shop but he hasn't been given enough back up's of the required standard so he's opting to keep the blunt ones in his bag.


I agree that the strength of squad is not what it could be, but I don't think its to blame for the current lack of form, independant of when it started. To me the tactics look wrong
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: Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:49 am  
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And regardless of what the season ends with, you have been proven exactly right at this time with those comments.


Agreed. I said from word go the squad didn't look too good.
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: Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:50 am  
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I agree that the strength of squad is not what it could be, but I don't think its to blame for the current lack of form, independant of when it started. To me the tactics look wrong


You can have all the tactics you want, but if your players aren't performing the basics properly and you don't quite have the players to perform, then tactics are irrelavant.
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: Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:01 am  
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I agree that the strength of squad is not what it could be, but I don't think its to blame for the current lack of form, independant of when it started. To me the tactics look wrong


You can polish it up however you like.

The players we currently have can not play to those tactics that are asked of them. We dont have other options for players, therefore we have a problem.
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: Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:10 am  
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You can polish it up however you like.

The players we currently have can not play to those tactics that are asked of them. We dont have other options for players, therefore we have a problem.


No, the players have not adapted to the tactics asked of them yet. There is a difference. It is too soon to say whether they can play to the tactics yet. The problem lies in the fact that thje pre season for the full squad amounted to 15 days meaning they are still picking up on the tactics as the season is in progress.

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You can polish it up however you like.

The players we currently have can not play to those tactics that are asked of them. We dont have other options for players, therefore we have a problem.


No, the players have not adapted to the tactics asked of them yet. There is a difference. It is too soon to say whether they can play to the tactics yet. The problem lies in the fact that thje pre season for the full squad amounted to 15 days meaning they are still picking up on the tactics as the season is in progress.

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: Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:17 am  
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No, the players have not adapted to the tactics asked of them yet. There is a difference. It is too soon to say whether they can play to the tactics yet. The problem lies in the fact that thje pre season for the full squad amounted to 15 days meaning they are still picking up on the tactics as the season is in progress.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-news/spor ... CC-chances


The mindset of some of our supporters is astounding at times.

You dont think 11 games in, and a 3rd of the league season gone, is enough time to tell you something is not working?

If there had been a glimmer of something working in that time I could understand. But the performances have been poop, pure and simple.
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No, the players have not adapted to the tactics asked of them yet. There is a difference. It is too soon to say whether they can play to the tactics yet. The problem lies in the fact that thje pre season for the full squad amounted to 15 days meaning they are still picking up on the tactics as the season is in progress.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-news/spor ... CC-chances


The mindset of some of our supporters is astounding at times.

You dont think 11 games in, and a 3rd of the league season gone, is enough time to tell you something is not working?

If there had been a glimmer of something working in that time I could understand. But the performances have been poop, pure and simple.
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: Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:19 am  
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The mindset of some of our supporters is astounding at times.

You dont think 11 games in, and a 3rd of the league season gone, is enough time to tell you something is not working?

If there had been a glimmer of something working in that time I could understand. But the performances have been poop, pure and simple.


Were you saying all this before the St Helens cup game?
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