17th place would be a massive success this year, the only real goal is to stay up. What happens after that is a bonus.



23 points means that with 17 more (maximum) we would be safe. Could be less....



That’s 21 games to get 17 points. If we got 5 draws that leaves 16 games to get 4 wins. I’d be putting my money on now if I were a betting man.

Read an interesting piece on how Spurs basically managed Phillips out of the game.

Most of our play comes from Phillips and they stuck Ndomble on him and starved the feed to our wide players thus nullifying how we play.

Now not all teams will be capable of doing that but I guess that`s now down to Bielsa to work out how we overcome this if it does happen again.

A few of the better sides have done that to us with Philips. Man U, Leicester, Spurs etc. We don’t have the quality to adjust when it happens at the moment

We do look ponderous at the back and are getting done for pace quite a bit in our final third.



But then again we do have x3 centre backs out and are very much ad-hoc at the moment.



Hopefully with troops back and a sensible transfer window we can get back some steel in the defence.

1 point per game and we are safe as houses I think

I’m gutted football hasn’t been suspended. We’d have been nailed on for being champions after the break....

Sheesh, I mean, do these "pundits" all sit in a room and pick a crap opinion and then they all have to rote learn it and use it every time or?

They must do!

Thoughts on today?



We’ve a wretched streak in the FA Cup.

Couldn't care less about the cup this year.

Id like to see a nice little cup run mainly to give the squad players a really good test against propper teams.U23s are brilliant but this is a different kettle of fish. It’s also as good a year as any to have a chance of winning it but that’s a pipe dream.

We're seeing why more u23s don't get more game time, this is the second time they've had to impress and they've been way off in both.



Kiko should have saved both goals. He's abysmal

Terrible 2nd half. Need someone to cover for Bamford.



As for that keeper....



At least means we play fewer games.

An absolute embarrassment. Bielsa at fault there.

Sutton, Histon, Newport, Crawley, Hull. We may as well just give the opposition a by next season haha



No excuse for the shocking attitude of the players. Nobody looked bothered, and the young players are way off, they lack the mongrel you need to compete at this level.

Embarrassing for the club. Pretty close to a first team there. No one looking like they wanted to force their way into the team.



Given the good results so far this season is a competition we could have done well in.

Shocking performance today and to be completely outplayed by a 4th division team says it all.

Poor substitutions by Bielsa taking off Cooper and Struijk along with Poveda and Rodrigo and playing Harrison at CF was baffling.

Hernandez was having a shocker and should have been subbed along with Costa.

As for Kiko that should be his last game in a Leeds shirt same with Costa.

Cooper probably the best player for Leeds and he only played 45 minutes.

Great performance from Crawley without really having to get into top gear.

Absolute mare of a performance in that second half. Bielsas changes at half time were mind blowing, only ones he should have done were bring on Greenwood and Harrison. Changed the whole dimension of the game. Kiko should never play for Leeds again.



Man City and Chelsea played full strength squads today and took it serious, that’s what we should have done.



Nevertheless it’s done now, time to get some business in the transfer window. Keeper, midfielder and attacker needed.

Couldn’t agree more especially as we don’t play again until next Saturday. According to Phil Hay we’re expecting a quiet Jan with a couple going out on loan. I wonder if today will change that. If anyone tells me those younger players like Leif Davis are knocking on the door and we can rely on them should we get injuries they are on drugs. Some of those players out there should have done a hell of a lot better but Bielsa takes that one imo.



Still love him but he got that badly wrong. Subs at half time were mind blowingly bad. To not put Greenwood up front was utterly ridiculous. Was he trying some form of sadistic experiment??? Surely Geldhart should have been on bench too he’s a very good young player with experience at that level and done well for Wigan.



Utterly baffling.

Think it was Philipps who said Davis is knocking on the door to play first team.

Totally agree about Greenwood and Geldhart.

Harrison as a centre forward has got to be a joke.

We’re a laughing stock after today. Need a big big reaction on Saturday. I’m sure we’ll get it but I’m fascinated to see what they do in this transfer window now particularly with the keeper and centre mid.

It really is amazing to think that Casilla played for Spain. I don't think he'd get in most L2 teams

jeez that was abject. i wouldn't have been so fussed if Bielsa had said he was going to play mostly 23's and rest the first team but the fact is we had Phillips, Struijk,Cooper, Alioski, Rodrigo, Harrison, Raphinha, Pablo,Costa and Harrison all on the pitch for at least a big chunk of that game and we never even really troubled a league 2 side at all throughout. They deserved the win and its another laughing stock performance in front of the nation.



Kiko, what's more to be said on him? the guy is an absolute joke and should never be played in goal for us again, and the quicker we off load the better.

Anyone know what is going on with Meslier? Not sure I can watch another game with Casilla in goal.

Big call keeping him in goal messier must be injured?