Re: SL RD 7 | St Helens (H) : Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:41 pm  

Agree re the kids. There's zero point playing Briscoe and Sutcliffe. They're terrible players who will not get better. Broadbent and Tindall may not be ready yet but at least they will get better. They may never be that good, but can they realistically be any worse than some of the older players who have had years to work on their game and yet don't know how to pass or position in defence? Its really coming back to bite us that Agar never gave enough chances to some of these lads, preferring instead to shuffle the same losers into different positions.

Re: SL RD 7 | St Helens (H) : Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:42 pm  

christopher wrote:

Sorry shabs, it was nothing special whatsoever, he was then utterly anonymous apart from a knock on his next play.

Fair play. I’m not saying it was special , but I don’t see our centres scoring that try. If you compare the two back lines on paper it looks like a professional vs an Amateur side….

Re: SL RD 7 | St Helens (H) : Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:45 pm  

Shabino wrote:

Fair play. I’m not saying it was special , but I don’t see our centres scoring that try. If you compare the two back lines on paper it looks like a professional vs an Amateur side….

Hurrell wouldnt have scored that try for us either because the opposition defence wouldn’t have been as bad.

I wanted Hurrell to stay by the way! But he’s only in that saints side because of injuries that’s how far behind them we are.

Re: SL RD 7 | St Helens (H) : Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:48 pm  

christopher wrote:

Hurrell wouldnt have scored that try for us either because the opposition defence wouldn’t have been as bad.

I wanted Hurrell to stay by the way! But he’s only in that saints side because of injuries that’s how far behind them we are.

That’s a scarey thought. He’d walk back into our team. I honestly wouldn’t have minded him leaving, if we were a bit more ambitious than sticking Sutty or Briscoe at left centre. I just can’t fathom how anyone could have thought that a good option…..

Re: SL RD 7 | St Helens (H) : Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:50 pm  

Shabino wrote:

That’s a scarey thought. He’d walk back into our team. I honestly wouldn’t have minded him leaving, if we were a bit more ambitious than sticking Sutty or Briscoe at left centre. I just can’t fathom how anyone could have thought that a good option…..

I actually thought Sutcliffe would be better in a settled position i was clearly wrong.

Briscoe is not and never will be a centre

Re: SL RD 7 | St Helens (H) : Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:57 pm  

It’s really time the club made it clear to them both that when we have any other fit players they will not make the team. I know tonight wasn’t his best game but Broadbent must play each week until Newman is back, and then we see how he’s gone. The kid will only learn from playing, he will make mistakes but will not be any worse than Briscoe or Sutcliffe, who really shouldn’t be at Leeds.

Re: SL RD 7 | St Helens (H) : Fri Apr 01, 2022 11:40 pm  

Pretty sure most people on here are clueless, we had excellent field position (through luck) and excellent attacking structure. We lacked composure and confidence to throw the right ball at the right time.

Prime example was just before half time, we set up for a play down the right, Donaldson first receiver doesn't even look down the line and cuts back in. Walker, Sutcliffe and Austin all screaming at him but he wins a penalty so it's forgotten.

Another example was the half break Briscoe made just before half time and we caught them on the back foot. What did we do with it? We ran a prop straight into the ruck and lost all of our momentum immediately.

We ran one great play all night and we were pulled for obstruction because the player didn't commit to his line.

The structure and the setup is there - no one in the team has the confidence or urgency needed to execute. If you're blaming Sutcliffe then you are deluded.

Re: SL RD 7 | St Helens (H) : Fri Apr 01, 2022 11:40 pm  

Better effort but my god, i cant ever remember seeing a more inept attacking team, its embarrassing how clueless we look in decent ball.

Re: SL RD 7 | St Helens (H) : Fri Apr 01, 2022 11:53 pm  

You are the landlord of the dog n duck n ur setting up a rugby team. JJB walks in offering to coach it.....would u let him?

"We didnt score anywhere near enough points"
"Ive been involved in sport since I was 4 years old"
"I love Sutty in the halves hes really silky there"
"Great leaders create leaders but bad leaders create followers but great leaders can also be followers"

This isnt happening. The club are going to tell us its all a wind up soon surely arent they?

Its like a sketch show comedy character. Its all a spoof it must be!

Will somebody please tell me im having a nightmare and none of this is real......PLEASE!

Re: SL RD 7 | St Helens (H) : Sat Apr 02, 2022 4:29 am  

Dunno where there is to go with that backline tbh.
I don't disagree with the general take on briscoe and Sutcliffe but at the same time Broadbent's simply too far off to be merely handed a starting spot week in week out. Walker's an elusive runner, nothing more. Dodging down the short side on the fourth or fifth might momentarily take opponents by surprise but it really doesn't make for a good end of set. Then again, that doesn't seem a concern for anyone, especially the coaches. Austin seems to be an instinctive player. Unfortunately those instincts tend towards very low percentage plays far too often. I'd say he'd do better just playing to put the ball into the hands of the strike players...but the problem there is obvious. The wingers don't matter. Maybe we'll bag an interception or two before the season ends?
The Myler and Newman injuries are a real ball ache. They'd be the two I'd be keenest to avoid getting hurt. Perm any other two of our other hacks being out instead and problems are halved.
But we are f***ed with those we're stuck with.