Re: Where do we go from here : Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:12 am  

RAPIDO wrote:

Adrian Lam started this season with practically a new squad most of which are players no one else wanted whilst Smith had a full pre season with his team that he took to the grand final by this comparison I can't for the life in me understand what the problem is at Leeds, out of the cup and if we finish lower than Leigh will we stick with Rohan or get the check book out and get Lam in?

And yet Wigan were awful in their last year with Lam.

It’s almost as just looking at the coach as the main reason a team does well is too simplistic isn’t it!

Lots of things have to fall into place for a team to be successful.

Re: Where do we go from here : Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:02 am  

you are right. but, everything starts with the coach. lam had good times at wigan too but the whole club was a mess in his last season. he has set the tone at leigh

Re: Where do we go from here : Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:59 am  

I think its fair to say that after a good few years of mess,most fans were looking forward to/ expecting more consistent performances this season.

That just hasn't happened.

Many of the same failings are seen each week, only McDonnell has stood out in the new signings and then unfortunate long term injuries to cap it.

I dont think we shoukd be sacking Smith, he has to have the chance to use the cap and get the team he wants to play how he wants.
However, he has made odd/ bad calls on selections and subs and been unable to get us playing for both halves or the 80mins and its now June.

Re: Where do we go from here : Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:57 am  

In my opinion it is simple . We have employed a coach to win matches and make us competitive with the top 4 /6 , playing organised and entertaining rugby ,with some good recruitment for the future.
Last season - we reached a Grand final - positive result / recruitment questionable .
This season - our tactics ( or lack of them ) have been worked out by all teams. Last years recruitment has now shown to have been poor ( dire in some cases ) and after Saturdays interview, it seems our coach wants to coach the team for the way he thinks the game SHOULD be played . He is deluded.
Tactics today need to include line speed , pressure the opposition, kick to corners ,a hooker who can make a break, get repeat sets , 3 men in every tackle and push the rules as far as you can each week ( just watch Saints ) - everything we DONT do ( and obviously not coached to do ).
Smith is stubborn and will not change from his vision of how the game should be played , so that is why he has to go NOW , so we start looking at next season . If we leave it to the end of season , player wise we will be left with the dregs that nobody else wants eg. Lasone .
Smith is in a results business - end of . Sack him now.

Re: Where do we go from here : Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:12 pm  

Boots wrote:

In my opinion it is simple . We have employed a coach to win matches and make us competitive with the top 4 /6 , playing organised and entertaining rugby ,with some good recruitment for the future.
Last season - we reached a Grand final - positive result / recruitment questionable .
This season - our tactics ( or lack of them ) have been worked out by all teams. Last years recruitment has now shown to have been poor ( dire in some cases ) and after Saturdays interview, it seems our coach wants to coach the team for the way he thinks the game SHOULD be played . He is deluded.
Tactics today need to include line speed , pressure the opposition, kick to corners ,a hooker who can make a break, get repeat sets , 3 men in every tackle and push the rules as far as you can each week ( just watch Saints ) - everything we DONT do ( and obviously not coached to do ).
Smith is stubborn and will not change from his vision of how the game should be played , so that is why he has to go NOW , so we start looking at next season . If we leave it to the end of season , player wise we will be left with the dregs that nobody else wants eg. Lasone .
Smith is in a results business - end of . Sack him now.

You’re going to be disappointed then.

Re: Where do we go from here : Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:19 pm  

Boots wrote:

In my opinion it is simple . We have employed a coach to win matches and make us competitive with the top 4 /6 , playing organised and entertaining rugby ,with some good recruitment for the future.
Last season - we reached a Grand final - positive result / recruitment questionable .
This season - our tactics ( or lack of them ) have been worked out by all teams. Last years recruitment has now shown to have been poor ( dire in some cases ) and after Saturdays interview, it seems our coach wants to coach the team for the way he thinks the game SHOULD be played . He is deluded.
Tactics today need to include line speed , pressure the opposition, kick to corners ,a hooker who can make a break, get repeat sets , 3 men in every tackle and push the rules as far as you can each week ( just watch Saints ) - everything we DONT do ( and obviously not coached to do ).
Smith is stubborn and will not change from his vision of how the game should be played , so that is why he has to go NOW , so we start looking at next season . If we leave it to the end of season , player wise we will be left with the dregs that nobody else wants eg. Lasone .
Smith is in a results business - end of . Sack him now.

Is this a serious post or tounge in cheek?

Re: Where do we go from here : Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:43 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

you are right. but, everything starts with the coach. lam had good times at wigan too but the whole club was a mess in his last season. he has set the tone at leigh

Lam has done a great job with Leigh. He's also had two years to spend big on players entirely of his own closing. Smith has not had that luxury.

Re: Where do we go from here : Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:45 pm  

I agree arthur.
but.
his gameplan, tactics are clueless. you should still be miles better even with lots out.

Re: Where do we go from here : Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:55 pm  

Leigh have been very fortunate with injuries (lack of) to key players this year which has helped their cause.

They have however been playing great Rugby so fair play to them.

Re: Where do we go from here : Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:15 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

I agree arthur.
but.
his gameplan, tactics are clueless. you should still be miles better even with lots out.

It's obvious that we're on opposing sides of the fence, but one thing I would acknowledge is that Smith needs to show the ability to adapt and not flinch from the more pragmatic/cynical side of the game. Otherwise sides will just capitalise on his corinthian approach. Of course that won't address the fundamental problem, that being that the players in our spine positions just aren't collectively good enough. I believe what he achieved (with a rabble) last season has earned him the right to address that.