[Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino]

: Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:14 am  

Trimalchio wrote:

It looks like from this evidence that Peacock is carrying our pack, and the only other prop who seems to offer comparative go forward over short stints is Burgess (rested against Quins).

We need other forwards to present a credible threat on the attack, otherwise we will become increasingly dependent on miracle plays involving the backs that have a high % chance of backfiring.

Lauitiiti's stats are pretty good, perhaps we will be forced to use him as an interchange prop if Bailey and Leuluai can't improve.

As good as Danny Buderus is, I'm not convinced Leeds have worked out a satisfactory way of using him in combination with Diskin. At the moment having two hookers means we have one less prop or back-rower, which means the others will have to do more work.

Agree on this point about the props, but on saying that surely the pack who have led us to back 2 back Grand Finals could step up to the task?

: Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:28 am  

I could be wrong here, but I think you're all being a bit hard on Bailey. Didn't he have to be helped from the field after a knock to the head in the first half and didn't return for the second?

Kylie's stats on the other hand are worrying. I couldn't believe it when he was subbed after only 11 minutes, although whether the injury to Bailey disrupted any plans the coach had for later in the game?

Peacock on the other hand is immense.

: Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:32 am  

finglas wrote:

Diskin was on for the opening exchanges and you would therefore expect him to have few carries. Buderus was then brought on on 26 minutes to make plays and run at defences.

Good point but when Diskin came on for his 2nd stint he must make an impact and clearly he hasnt. It may be down to Blueys tatics in having
both Diskin and Buderus on at the same time with Diskin at 2nd Row. But clealy in the 2nd row diskin is going nowhere.

Re: Stats V Harlequins : Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:17 am  

finglas wrote:

Kylie and Bailey should be able to manage more than 44 minutes between them

Going in to a game with only three regular props (Leuluai, Peacock and Bailey) and looking to a combination of Kirke and Lauitiiti to fill in the fourth prop role is a bit of a gamble. When two of the regular props combine to cover only a quarter of the time needed during the game then that gamble hasn't paid off, IMO.

Can Peacock really be expected to carry the Leeds pack for another season.

: Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:19 am  

RhinoNeil wrote:

Good point but when Diskin came on for his 2nd stint he must make an impact and clearly he hasnt. It may be down to Blueys tatics in having
both Diskin and Buderus on at the same time with Diskin at 2nd Row. But clealy in the 2nd row diskin is going nowhere.

Not having seen the game I can only guess that Diskin was a bit of a spare part in his second stint. Although with Leeds desparately chasing the game the gameplan might have been different to the one that McClennan had originally envisaged.

Re: Stats V Harlequins : Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:21 am  

tvoc wrote:

Can Peacock really be expected to carry the Leeds pack for another season.

Only if this is going to be his last one before hanging up his boots.

The quantity is there in his workrate, but the quality of his first season at Leeds in particular?

Another season carrying the Leeds pack, averaging 70 minutes a game then backing it up with a representative tournament and a short off-season again is going to ruin him the way it did Fielden.

: Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:58 am  

Acorn Torn wrote:

I could be wrong here, but I think you're all being a bit hard on Bailey. Didn't he have to be helped from the field after a knock to the head in the first half and didn't return for the second?

you are spot on i think

shame so many seem to have forgotten this fact whilst trying to match these stats to their agenda's

: Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:13 pm  

King Whino wrote:

you are spot on i think

shame so many seem to have forgotten this fact whilst trying to match these stats to their agenda's

Bailey from the bench made four hit ups in his twenty minute stint. That gives an impressive average yardage per drive (as you would hope from your bench prop coming on to add a bit of impact) but quantity wise four doesn't sound a lot for twenty minutes work.

: Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:49 pm  

Swarcliffe Rhino wrote:

Agree on this point about the props, but on saying that surely the pack who have led us to back 2 back Grand Finals could step up to the task?

Yes, but that pack included Ellis and Scruton.

: Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:49 pm  

tvoc wrote:

Bailey from the bench made four hit ups in his twenty minute stint. That gives an impressive average yardage per drive (as you would hope from your bench prop coming on to add a bit of impact) but quantity wise four doesn't sound a lot for twenty minutes work.

it doesn't

subtract the 5 minutes he was wondering about seeing stars after the hit

then provide data on which team had possession when he was on the field

and in what field position, and under what circumstances

data of how long the ball was in play, and the nature of any stoppages

and then you may have a context for a meaningful analysis