: Sun May 17, 2009 2:07 am  

sgtwilko wrote:

try telling that to the bulls CEO, and a hell of a lot of fans who will blame anyone or anything but their own team's inability to get the job done on the night.

The Bulls can be forgiven (depending on which circumstance you mean it in) if it's for the MM fiasco a few seasons ago. That was ATROCIOUS, and one you result that should never have happened.

As for your second team, it's usually that Leeds have been good but in other games, yes a failure to convert pressure into points is the most obvious reason. For the Cas game on Friday it was a case that both sides deserved something, but Leeds just got that mistake by Sherwin which got them the win. Unfortunate, but this happens.

: Sun May 17, 2009 1:30 pm  

Any Castleford fans bemoaning Friday's result (and how it occurred) would have been given short shrift if there are any Halifax fans on here.

Leeds have been on the end of such finishes as have every club bar St Helens.

Fully wrote:

The Bulls can be forgiven (depending on which circumstance you mean it in) if it's for the MM fiasco a few seasons ago. That was ATROCIOUS, and one you result that should never have happened.

Interesting. How did Kevin Sinfield react that day when Jordan Tansey bagged the winner? A cartwheel wasn't it. Not seen him do one of them before or since.

: Sun May 17, 2009 1:57 pm  

Fully wrote:

that mistake by Sherwin which got them the win. Unfortunate, but this happens.

If Shenton had left the ball McGuire would have been over for the 4 - he had no option but to pick it up with EVERY other Cas player also being offside.

That’s why he hesitated before going for the ball – he knew he’d be penalised.

In the absolute rules of the game it could have been classed as a ‘Professional foul’ – deliberate rule breaking to prevent the opposition from scoring.

Shenton was lucky not to get a straight Red and subsequent match ban.

: Sun May 17, 2009 2:05 pm  

tvoc wrote:

Leeds have been on the end of such finishes as have every club bar St Helens.

Glad you winked there because that's how Hull KR got us this season: we gave away a penalty under the sticks and the resulting kick won the game for them. I think that was in the last minute? So not quite as nail biting but a bummer nontheless.

: Sun May 17, 2009 2:48 pm  

LS16_Rhino wrote:

If Shenton had left the ball McGuire would have been over for the 4 - he had no option but to pick it up with EVERY other Cas player also being offside.

It was a mistake by Shenton to touch the ball in that position and it proved a critical error. Had Shenton not picked the ball up he would still have been able to tackle McGuire short of the line. Leeds would have had a full set of six available except the clock was all but up.

LS16_Rhino wrote:

In the absolute rules of the game it could have been classed as a ‘Professional foul’ – deliberate rule breaking to prevent the opposition from scoring.

Shenton was lucky not to get a straight Red and subsequent match ban.

Sin-binning at worst for a professional foul, never a send off offence in Rugby League. Given the time on the clock I can understand Ian Smith's decision to leave it as a penalty only and take no further action.

: Sun May 17, 2009 3:36 pm  

tvoc wrote:

It was a mistake by Shenton to touch the ball in that position and it proved a critical error. Had Shenton not picked the ball up he would still have been able to tackle McGuire short of the line. Leeds would have had a full set of six available except the clock was all but up.

Sin-binning at worst for a professional foul, never a send off offence in Rugby League. Given the time on the clock I can understand Ian Smith's decision to leave it as a penalty only and take no further action.

Just playing Devils Advocate mate – Smith made the ‘Common Sense’ decision (for once) and IMO the lost, under the circumstances was sufficient punishment.

: Sun May 17, 2009 3:49 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

lucky? don't think so.
despite having more of the ball cas were not good enough to break us down,thats there problem.
we took our chances, they didn't.we had 15 men for about 60 minutes in atrocious,energy sapping conditions yet pushed ourselves to the win.it's called mental toughness.

Well said I thought we defended well in awful conditions to say we only had 15 for most of the game .

: Mon May 18, 2009 7:29 am  

and castleford didnt defend well then for the remaining 65 minutes you muppet

: Mon May 18, 2009 7:44 am  

jungleman wrote:

and castleford didnt defend well then for the remaining 65 minutes you muppet

Where were you on Saturday night? You said name the time and thep lace. I said 20 minutes at Wheldon road.

I waited 2 hours for you and you didn't turn up. You're all mouth.

: Mon May 18, 2009 8:09 am  

tvoc wrote:

It was a mistake by Shenton to touch the ball in that position and it proved a critical error. Had Shenton not picked the ball up he would still have been able to tackle McGuire short of the line. Leeds would have had a full set of six available except the clock was all but up.

Only thought about this when reading the above comment, but if a player is offside to play at the ball, is he also offside when tackling an opposition player who picks up the ball.

Can't say I've seen as crucial a decision as that, given the timing (apart from Millenium Magic) but I'm sure there's been plenty of knock-ons or the like where the tackling player was in front of the player that lost the ball and don't remember an instance of them being penalised