Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:15 am  

batleyrhino wrote:

Hope not. Specifically what will the Andy Lynch of 2011 bring to Leeds that they couldn't have had by keeping Burgess for example.

Lynch this year is hardly better than Cross, nevermind Burgess, not to mention he is 8(?) years older than Burgess...

we're not ageist up at HQ wasn't Cross (30+) brought in as a replacement for Easwood (23)

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:24 am  

Bizarre news really. Only explanation is that you have made one or two massive signings and want to fit them in for a run on the playoffs this year. But who?

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:27 am  

batleyrhino wrote:

Hope not. Specifically what will the Andy Lynch of 2011 bring to Leeds that they couldn't have had by keeping Burgess for example.

Lynch this year is hardly better than Cross, nevermind Burgess, not to mention he is 8(?) years older than Burgess...

Guess you have not seen his stats then.
Age doesn't matter with props. Ask the 3 England props: JP, Moz and Carvell.

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:30 am  

Burgess is by no means the finished article as a prop, but I thought he'd shown great improvement to his deficiencies this year (flat-footedness, ball-retention) and was looking like becoming an excellent forward. Fair enough, he may have been looking like becoming an excellent forward in Sydney not here, but he's still on Leeds' payroll and was our best prop in a poor first third of the season. I can't understand why 1) He's not playing. 2) We're offering him a release to strengthen our opponents for the rest of the season.

Cross was a poor signing but has been treated very shoddily.

I fail to see what Ian Kirke offers over either of them.

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:34 am  

Saddened! wrote:

Bizarre news really. Only explanation is that you have made one or two massive signings and want to fit them in for a run on the playoffs this year. But who?

Not really. Its clear that Burgess will only be used for injury cover as he is going out on loan. He desperately wants first team rugby to earn an NRL contract, going out on loan suits both parties.
Cross hasn't been any where near the side since the Cas win just after Easter. He might aswell go.

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:35 am  

Lets be honest our coach has treated both like sh#*.
There's been many below par performances that warranted changes and both got over-looked and both offer more than Kirke imo.
The more concerning thing for me is who has made this call ,Brian Mc therefore indicating he's staying beyond the end of the season and will take charge of our re-structure (God Help Us) or was t it GH making space for new arrivals.
I know the players are credited with the requests but it's obvious they were'nt in favour.
Burgess wanting to leave for the NRL is not surprising and losing Cross isn't gonna decimate the squad but i think he deserved better lets hope this "ruthless streak" continues onto Senior ,kirke and Ali.

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:43 am  

RhinoNeil wrote:

Not really. Its clear that Burgess will only be used for injury cover as he is going out on loan. He desperately wants first team rugby to earn an NRL contract, going out on loan suits both parties.
Cross hasn't been any where near the side since the Cas win just after Easter. He might aswell go.

I'm not buying that. Leeds aren't short of cash. Having senior players as backup to the first team squad would be welcomed at any Super League club. Loaning senior players out is a very rare occurance and releasing quota players early is almost unheard of.

I reckon you've agreed a deal to sign someone and need the cap room to bring them into the squad this season.

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:45 am  

Which quality players would want to come to a club with 2 clowns in charge?
Burgess and Cross appear to have been treated terribly. I feel even more pessimistic about the next few years now.

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:46 am  

To be fair, all that Cross has shown us that he is a Penalty Machine

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:47 am  

RhinoNeil wrote:

Guess you have not seen his stats then.
Age doesn't matter with props. Ask the 3 England props: JP, Moz and Carvell.

Yep, all of them were a massive dissapointment on Friday night.