Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (A) : Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:56 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

On paper Singleton's stats were marginally better than Donaldson's

No they wasn’t. He had more minutes.

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (A) : Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:02 pm  

I'm a bit mixed about the game really. I never expected Leeds would win, and in the opening quarter we looked decent. However we were taken apart in the next part of the game and looked like men against boys. Defending as poorly as we did in 2018 and 2016. The performance seemed to only confirm what we have been saying on here over the winter. Not enough strength in the middle

On the upside though I think we played the team who will be right at the top of the table all things being equal. Also, more established Leeds teams have gone to Warrington and been more soundly beaten. I've the season I expect we'll get better. I think only the most optimistic fan would think we would be right at the top of the league. We'll see how they get on over the next month or so

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (A) : Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:50 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

If we do not have the power in the pack to produce decent go forward then the coach should change tactics and move the ball wide and play to our strengths ie the backs. In the game the other night Saints moved the ball wide at every opportunity against Wigan and made far more metres than when they went up the middle.

Saints can go wide off the charges of Walmsley and Thompson creating quick rucks for Roby to scoot or to spread the play. We've got Cuthbo, Singo, Donaldson and Ferres. Our best forward last year Hall and this year it will be Hurrell.

Other than Ward none of our forwards will break a tackle all season.

I went to Hunslet today to watch a very young Leeds team lose out 34-28. Trout had a good strong game, Muizz and Holroyd we're both strong and run far harder than any of our forwards at Warrington.

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (A) : Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:35 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

No they wasn’t. He had more minutes.

The stats disagree with you.

According to the Leeds web site Singleton was on for just 3 minutes longer than Donaldson (35/33) and in those extra 3 minutes Singleton made 2 more carries and 19 more metres than Donaldson. Both made 28 tackles and both made one tackle bust each and no missed tackles. So Singleton averaged 6.5m per carry and Donaldson 5m per carry. Both made either a tackle or a carry every minute they were on except for one minute each (perhaps when they ran on) so both were equally busy with Single marginally more effective.

As I said Singleton on paper was marginally better than Donaldson something that you chose to overlook or perhaps failed to observe..

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (A) : Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:40 pm  

Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:

Saints can go wide off the charges of Walmsley and Thompson creating quick rucks for Roby to scoot or to spread the play. We've got Cuthbo, Singo, Donaldson and Ferres. Our best forward last year Hall and this year it will be Hurrell.

Other than Ward none of our forwards will break a tackle all season.

I went to Hunslet today to watch a very young Leeds team lose out 34-28. Trout had a good strong game, Muizz and Holroyd we're both strong and run far harder than any of our forwards at Warrington.

In the game the other night Saints regularly went wide even in their own red zone and not always on the back of forward drives a point noted by the TV pundits. Their tactic for this match was to clear the fast line speed of the big Wigan pack....and it worked.

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (A) : Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:17 am  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

The stats disagree with you.

According to the Leeds web site Singleton was on for just 3 minutes longer than Donaldson (35/33) and in those extra 3 minutes Singleton made 2 more carries and 19 more metres than Donaldson. Both made 28 tackles and both made one tackle bust each and no missed tackles. So Singleton averaged 6.5m per carry and Donaldson 5m per carry. Both made either a tackle or a carry every minute they were on except for one minute each (perhaps when they ran on) so both were equally busy with Single marginally more effective.

As I said Singleton on paper was marginally better than Donaldson something that you chose to overlook or perhaps failed to observe..

So they don’t disagree with me then. For someone who constantly goes on about stats, you really need to understand them better, you seem to struggle with them, and only pick out certain ones.

So again I will say, Singleton had more minutes, which of course you have already stated, and somehow point to this fact of 2 more carries, yet believe Donaldson wouldn’t have increased his own and his number of tackles in that time. Of course even then it overlooks the fact that one was playing prop, a role for high carries, and one wasn’t playing prop.

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (A) : Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:50 am  

Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:

Trout had a good strong game, Muizz and Holroyd we're both strong and run far harder than any of our forwards at Warrington.

With respect to Hunslet though I'm confident their pack don't stack up to Cooper, Hill, Murdoch-Masila etc.

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (A) : Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:21 am  

HRS Rhino wrote:

With respect to Hunslet though I'm confident their pack don't stack up to Cooper, Hill, Murdoch-Masila etc.

Yes and there is a duty of care for the young players too. Having said that, having one of those three in particular play first team periodically through this season could be beneficial. Realistically that probably happens in the event of injuries, but these boys need an opportunity to see how far off they are.

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (A) : Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:31 am  

I went to the toilet on Saturday at half time, was about 20 metres and took me about 45 seconds to get there. Which means I made more metres than Singo and Donaldson will make all season in much less time. How's that for stats?????

Both of them are triers, both give 100% but if I played for Leeds I would give my all too but it doesn't mean I should be in the team.

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (A) : Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:50 am  

Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:

I went to the toilet on Saturday at half time, was about 20 metres and took me about 45 seconds to get there. Which means I made more metres than Singo and Donaldson will make all season in much less time. How's that for stats?????

Both of them are triers, both give 100% but if I played for Leeds I would give my all too but it doesn't mean I should be in the team.

we know Marty, and know your view, and yes it highlights a problem, but no alternative to improve it currently.

What it doesn’t highlight in terms of one of the players though, and I am sure you would accept, one of the players was brought on to shore up a defensive problem and did the job. One was brought on specifically for the issue you are highlighting, and failed in that regard.