Re: SL RD 5 | Castleford Tigers (A) : Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:11 pm  

Lprhino wrote:

No turning on him from me. Absolutely the right man to lead us forward. However, part of being that leader is taking responsibility when the team is clearly not set up correctly to perform. Or if they don’t perform you do something to change it. We have looked poor for at least 3 of the 5 games, lacking intensity and seeming to have limited if any plan.

I would say we looked ok in the second half against probably the worse team in League so far and we played reasonably well against a Saints team likely to be suffering from their trip across the other side of the world.
The rest of the time we couldn`t beat a poor Cas and Hull team and got mullered against Wire.
But there`s green shoots for sure and we need to build on them each week.

Re: SL RD 5 | Castleford Tigers (A) : Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:32 pm  

Ditching Rohan now would be crazy. Almost as crazy is the level of faith that some have in him and which will put half the crowd on his back when things are tough.
Truth is that he's a relatively young coach, unproven at this level and who may fail or may succeed. Building him into some sort of guru is really doing him no favours. Most wouldn't do this with a player at a similar point of their career so why not allow a coach still learning their trade the same grace?

Re: SL RD 5 | Castleford Tigers (A) : Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:53 pm  

Clearwing wrote:

Ditching Rohan now would be crazy. Almost as crazy is the level of faith that some have in him and which will put half the crowd on his back when things are tough.
Truth is that he's a relatively young coach, unproven at this level and who may fail or may succeed. Building him into some sort of guru is really doing him no favours. Most wouldn't do this with a player at a similar point of their career so why not allow a coach still learning their trade the same grace?

I do agree with this, he’s learning but I personally like what I see, I like people who look at things differently.

Re: SL RD 5 | Castleford Tigers (A) : Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:28 pm  

Clearwing wrote:

Ditching Rohan now would be crazy. Almost as crazy is the level of faith that some have in him and which will put half the crowd on his back when things are tough.
Truth is that he's a relatively young coach, unproven at this level and who may fail or may succeed. Building him into some sort of guru is really doing him no favours. Most wouldn't do this with a player at a similar point of their career so why not allow a coach still learning their trade the same grace?

Why are we a training centre for someone learning their trade? I'm sure during the search last year, GH said it was his biggest ever appointment and was a job that required someone with experience.

Now, suddenly, we have someone inexperienced and learning their trade whilst the squad still needs a major rebuild.

The whole set-up is a dog's dinner.

Re: SL RD 5 | Castleford Tigers (A) : Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:42 pm  

I’ve just watched the second half again because I’m a sadist.
At half time Cas had made 181 tackles and we made 133, we also made 6 handling error in 1st half, sky stats.

I made some notes myself on 2nd half, these won’t be perfect because I spent some time shouting at the telly.
I think we had 6 PTB in their 25 at 65 minute mark.
42 mins - penalty MacDonald high tackle, soft
48 mins - penalty Martin strip, soft
51 mins - Martin , knock on
54 mins - MacDonald PTB error
56 mins - Sezer, knock ball down on Miller
56 m - Fusitua jams in, Cas try
58 m - penalty Austin kick off out on full
61 m - Fusitua PTB error
67m - Sangare - lost ball in offload
68m - penalty, Roberts offside
69m - penalty, Smith strip, soft
70m - short restart, Cas get ball back
74m - Olpherts, dropped ball, try blown
77m - Austin dropped ball, last tackle.


Think only 15 PTBs in their 25 in whole second half
Think we had approx 50 plays where we passed twice or less or kicked, bulk were 1 man runs
Think approx 13 plays where we passed three times or more
I’m including a pass from dummy half as a pass in above.

It was dire and error riddled and Cas played at a higher level of intensity because it was v Leeds.
We still only lost by 6. They are fairly poor and will
Lose plenty this season. We may lose plenty as well.

As Rohan said we gave ourselves no chance to win, very poor and showed almost nothing with the ball

Re: SL RD 5 | Castleford Tigers (A) : Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:49 pm  

FlexWheeler wrote:

Why are we a training centre for someone learning their trade? I'm sure during the search last year, GH said it was his biggest ever appointment and was a job that required someone with experience.

He might well have said that during his search but the experience requirement clearly went out of the window. Dogs dinner or work in progress? We'll know soon enough. Personally I'm happy to run with Smith for a while yet.

Re: SL RD 5 | Castleford Tigers (A) : Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:57 pm  

Thanks for the recap Sir Greg P. Saved me some pain there. Maybe you can tell me: were my eyes playing tricks or was Lisone looking in even worse shape than when he first rolled up at HQ?

Re: SL RD 5 | Castleford Tigers (A) : Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:58 pm  

Sir Gregory ParsloeP wrote:

I’ve just watched the second half again because I’m a sadist.
At half time Cas had made 181 tackles and we made 133, we also made 6 handling error in 1st half, sky stats.

I made some notes myself on 2nd half, these won’t be perfect because I spent some time shouting at the telly.
I think we had 6 PTB in their 25 at 65 minute mark.
42 mins - penalty MacDonald high tackle, soft
48 mins - penalty Martin strip, soft
51 mins - Martin , knock on
54 mins - MacDonald PTB error
56 mins - Sezer, knock ball down on Miller
56 m - Fusitua jams in, Cas try
58 m - penalty Austin kick off out on full
61 m - Fusitua PTB error
67m - Sangare - lost ball in offload
68m - penalty, Roberts offside
69m - penalty, Smith strip, soft
70m - short restart, Cas get ball back
74m - Olpherts, dropped ball, try blown
77m - Austin dropped ball, last tackle.


Think only 15 PTBs in their 25 in whole second half
Think we had approx 50 plays where we passed twice or less or kicked, bulk were 1 man runs
Think approx 13 plays where we passed three times or more
I’m including a pass from dummy half as a pass in above.

It was dire and error riddled and Cas played at a higher level of intensity because it was v Leeds.
We still only lost by 6. They are fairly poor and will
Lose plenty this season. We may lose plenty as well.

As Rohan said we have ourselves no chance to win, very poor and showed almost nothing with the ball

Thanks for taking that bullet for me. It's been nagging at me all day. In short, through our own errors, we made impossible to win. Lot's to learn.

Re: SL RD 5 | Castleford Tigers (A) : Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:01 pm  

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Clearwing wrote:

Ditching Rohan now would be crazy. Almost as crazy is the level of faith that some have in him and which will put half the crowd on his back when things are tough.
Truth is that he's a relatively young coach, unproven at this level and who may fail or may succeed. Building him into some sort of guru is really doing him no favours. Most wouldn't do this with a player at a similar point of their career so why not allow a coach still learning their trade the same grace?

Completely agree, he is no guru and is def learning. There are aspects I really disagree with (Can Smith should be made Captain, short kick offs just look plain amateur.)
But he’s young, hungry and seemingly on it for long run. If he did too well too soon he’d might attract NRL interest. Best to let him set the systems up and recruitment over next 2-3 yrs imho…..

Re: SL RD 5 | Castleford Tigers (A) : Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:46 pm  

Clearwing wrote:

Thanks for the recap Sir Greg P. Saved me some pain there. Maybe you can tell me: were my eyes playing tricks or was Lisone looking in even worse shape than when he first rolled up at HQ?

Not sure he’s worse but it’s not great having another overseas signing looking unfit.

I’ll give him a bit more time.