Re: RD 5 | St Helens (H) : Sun Mar 17, 2024 10:43 am  

I think a few esteemed forum members will need to be on the warfarin next week, we may well lose again.

We gave them our best half an hour for a long time and they soaked it up and suckered us. We tipped a lot into that.

Lisone should be fit which is a big plus. Mom will need to play well and be fit.

RS needs to get the bench right.

Re: RD 5 | St Helens (H) : Sun Mar 17, 2024 11:49 am  

KaeruJim wrote:

Yep we forget sometimes that the Goldens didn’t have great league form all the time, and we lost games like Friday fairly regularly even back then.

We are clearly moving in the right direction but we haven’t moved far enough to be king of the castle.

Not sure we lost them fairly regularly and to be honest how many Leeds players now would get in that team ?

Re: RD 5 | St Helens (H) : Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:23 pm  

ploinerrhino wrote:

Not sure we lost them fairly regularly and to be honest how many Leeds players now would get in that team ?

Between 2004 and 2015 the win loss record between saints and Leeds was about 50%, so yes we lost to them quite regularly

Re: RD 5 | St Helens (H) : Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:40 pm  

thesaint71 wrote:

Said it was unsporting of Saints to withdraw Makinson so late
Walked in to the presser saying i'm not going to mention the ref

I thought the ref allowed saints to slow the ruck which did kill us in the 2nd half. We also lost some line speed in D. They had quicker rucks which allowed them to play with structure.

I guess either saints are much quicker of the line or we are slower. Who knows.

Agreed that the first 30 was as good as we have played in the last few years. Just need more of it for longer.

Plus I think we need a bit of structure in plays. Can’t do off the cuff for 80 mins. Still lacking a wrecking ball. As good as lisone is in his 10 min spells, would like a bit more for longer.

I still think MoM and Fraeley will turn out to be duds. The former is unfortunately a downgrade on Nene.

Re: RD 5 | St Helens (H) : Sun Mar 17, 2024 1:24 pm  

Thought we played well for large parts Friday, was a good game, thats my thoughts as a fan.

But, and i alluded to this in the Academy thread, there is a wave flowing through the club at the moment, of taking too much pride and too many positives from defeat. Regardless of anything, players and coaches should be looking at any defeat as a very bad day at the office...Im not seeing that mindset around the club.

A winning mentality or desire to win is just as important as talent

Re: RD 5 | St Helens (H) : Sun Mar 17, 2024 1:26 pm  

mattsrhinos1978 wrote:

Thought we played well for large parts Friday, was a good game, thats my thoughts as a fan.

But, and i alluded to this in the Academy thread, there is a wave flowing through the club at the moment, of taking too much pride and too many positives from defeat. Regardless of anything, players and coaches should be looking at any defeat as a very bad day at the office...Im not seeing that mindset around the club.

A winning mentality or desire to win is just as important as talent

What from the club, coach and players is giving you the impression that they're buzzing over defeats?

Re: RD 5 | St Helens (H) : Sun Mar 17, 2024 1:30 pm  

Neruda wrote:

What from the club, coach and players is giving you the impression that they're buzzing over defeats?

Buzzing? Where did i say Buzzing?

Re: RD 5 | St Helens (H) : Sun Mar 17, 2024 1:31 pm  

mattsrhinos1978 wrote:

Buzzing? Where did i say Buzzing?

"Too much pride and positives" then

Re: RD 5 | St Helens (H) : Sun Mar 17, 2024 1:42 pm  

kjrhino wrote:

I thought the ref allowed saints to slow the ruck which did kill us in the 2nd half. We also lost some line speed in D. They had quicker rucks which allowed them to play with structure.

I guess either saints are much quicker of the line or we are slower. Who knows.

Agreed that the first 30 was as good as we have played in the last few years. Just need more of it for longer.

Plus I think we need a bit of structure in plays. Can’t do off the cuff for 80 mins. Still lacking a wrecking ball. As good as lisone is in his 10 min spells, would like a bit more for longer.

I still think MoM and Fraeley will turn out to be duds. The former is unfortunately a downgrade on Nene.

Totally disagree on Momirosvki, he is a different style of player to Nene.

You don’t play in the teams he has by being a dud, he won’t be the explosive runner that nene is but he is a clever RL with great defensive awareness, it’s no coincidence that Ash is having his best ever season playing next to him.

Nene macdonald is a great player but he’s unreliable and has left every club under a cloud, a lot of the rebuild is about culture and a player like momirosvki os a key part to that , same as Frawley to be honest.

Re: RD 5 | St Helens (H) : Sun Mar 17, 2024 2:45 pm  

At an athlete Nene should still be in NRL, he’s a bit of a freak. Attitude- wise he is all over the place, although comes across as a nice enough guy. There is a reason he is over here.

Mom will be fine I think; I’d like to see Frawley’s kicking game improve though, he’s put us under pressure several times.

I want to see more games, and games in decent conditions, to really assess where we are. It looks like we are short of a winger and a big middle unit still. Fus leaving should enable us to sort the wing out. Middle might depend on whether Martin stays or not. He is having a good season again so far.