Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (H) : Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:14 am  

The Eagle wrote:

I don't think that it was said that the closed fist made contact with the head, but it's an indication of intent. Not to punch, but to go in recklessly for a big shot. It's poor technique with no ability to wrap the tackle, similar to the shoulder charge.

He went for an aggressive shot, mistimed it, hit the head, so is automatically a red card

Oh I know that, but that picture still shows an open hand grabbing the shoulder?

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (H) : Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:20 am  

A still image from after initial contact.

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (H) : Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:26 am  

I'd like to see then how that clenched first, no control position transitioned to the one in the picture a fraction of a second after contact. Anyone got a still of the clenched fist?

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (H) : Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:54 am  

Seth wrote: I'd like to see then how that clenched first, no control position transitioned to the one in the picture a fraction of a second after contact. Anyone got a still of the clenched fist? Maybe someone cleverer than me can post the pics from here (page 20) https://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.ph ... 4/page/23/ Not sure of the significance of the alleged clenched fist, it was only when I watched on TV that I realised it was something the two refs had brought to proceedings. FWIW I have no problem with a red for a high and hard swinging arm

Seth wrote: I'd like to see then how that clenched first, no control position transitioned to the one in the picture a fraction of a second after contact. Anyone got a still of the clenched fist? Maybe someone cleverer than me can post the pics from here (page 20) https://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.ph ... 4/page/23/ Not sure of the significance of the alleged clenched fist, it was only when I watched on TV that I realised it was something the two refs had brought to proceedings. FWIW I have no problem with a red for a high and hard swinging arm

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (H) : Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:09 am  

Lprhino wrote:

What I dislike is that there is this talk about clenched fists making contact with the head. That is just factually inaccurate and I don’t think it is why he should be sent off.

The clenched fist shows intent, if he was tackling he would have an open hand to grab the shirt as part of the tackle.

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (H) : Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:43 am  

finglas wrote:

The clenched fist shows intent, if he was tackling he would have an open hand to grab the shirt as part of the tackle.

The still suggest the fist wasn't clenched though. Although a still doesn't ever tell the whole story.

Regardless, I imagine a couple of game ban will head his way.

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (H) : Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:12 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

The still suggest the fist wasn't clenched though. Although a still doesn't ever tell the whole story.

Regardless, I imagine a couple of game ban will head his way.

From watching on the screen, it was closed as it came across Widdop into contact. Holmes's fist was open and that was the difference that the referee pointed out both in conversation with the TMO and also in the explanation to Leeming as captain.

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (H) : Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:14 pm  

Really unlucky not to get the 2 points. I thought the try by Charnley right before half time was a big moment in the game. Ratchford sledging to Rhyse Martin at full time was bermusing, I think they were at it all game judging from watching the game back. On to Wigan!

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (H) : Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:12 pm  

Frosty12 wrote:

Really unlucky not to get the 2 points. I thought the try by Charnley right before half time was a big moment in the game. Ratchford sledging to Rhyse Martin at full time was bermusing, I think they were at it all game judging from watching the game back. On to Wigan!

Probably didn’t know about Rhyse’s dad. He’s a good bloke Is Ratchford and am sure will apologise.

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (H) : Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:09 pm  

Most stuff has already been covered.

What should the correct call have been regarding Charnley tackling Handley without the ball just before Handley scored? Penalty try, 8 point try, yellow card?