Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Sat Mar 04, 2023 11:19 am  

Shabino wrote:

I was more surprised by the players reaction than the fans. It was only a reg season game, not sure why someone like Percival was making a scene after the game.
Fans reaction was really poor too but small minority? You’ll obs no more as were at the game…..

It was a small minority as it usually is with these things, but there were some very very angry Fans outside the ground, first time I’ve felt like it could ‘kick off’ for a long time.

You are right though the players were pathetic, look at Hurrell throwing his toys out and Percival having to get a talking to from Walmsley.

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Sat Mar 04, 2023 11:42 am  

Hurrell's was a red card. Not as bad as Tet's hit on him last year but it was late and a shoulder charge to the chin. Myler's lucky not to have got badly hurt, and Wilkin's comments were disgraceful.

Walters was a penalty for me. But little flare-ups were happening all game and the ref had warned both captains about players not running in.

Certainly be interesting at the disciplinary this week. Last year Macdonald would have got a ban for the attempt to stop a try as well.

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:00 pm  

Walters incident is a grey area if its slowed down does look like he's trying to wrap arm but can't fully due to Cameron Smith making Simultaneous contact on Matty Lees. But for me if 'shoulder charges' are used like that I'm fine with it shoulder on shoulder equals some big hits and are not dangerous for players safety imo


Hurrell shoulder charge is a red card all day & all season long. He's made direct contact too Myler's head with shoulder which IS dangerous for player safety. It's not rocket science imo.

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:02 pm  

Won't stop saints players and fans trying to conflate the 2 as they stamp their feet.

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:44 pm  

christopher wrote:

It was a small minority as it usually is with these things, but there were some very very angry Fans outside the ground, first time I’ve felt like it could ‘kick off’ for a long time.

You are right though the players were pathetic, look at Hurrell throwing his toys out and Percival having to get a talking to from Walmsley.

It was a weird one. Thought it was supposed to be party atmosphere celebrating WCC? Can’t imagine a regular season loss would have triggered such anger. Was there more to it?

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:03 pm  

It was nice to see Leeds throw it around as I felt we went a bit one up on the previous weeks.

Feel like Lisone was dropped for being unfit and likewise, Leeming for being poor. O'Connor made the team play better and helped Sezer have a good game. Was also nice to see McDonnell get a game: he looked solid.

I really like Holroyd. Sangare has been great so far and Walters looked handy. With Oledzki to come back, Tetevano going ok and hopefully Lisone to get fit, we could have some good options.

MacDonald looks very dangerous in attack and him alongside Newman will change the whole complex of our backs. Newman takes us up two gears.

I would not have complained if Walters had been penalised but glad to see he didn't as Welsby always tries to ref games. It would only have been given because of Welsby's actions.

Hurrell's was a stone wall red. Late, shoulder, direct to the head and with force. Stupid.

I thought Matautia's would have been a red had it been last season too as it was very dangerous. He seems a bit of a grub.

In terms of Kendall, potentially we got away with one, however, barring the yellow card, we got absolutely nothing from him in the first 30 minutes. Every 50:50 call went Saints favour like it normally does. Saints are a tough enough team to beat without getting any decisions as well. Teams get pinged for holding down, offsides etc. that Saints seem to get away with. Its as if they can't do anything wrong.

Hope we aren't going to start giving an 8 point try every time someone touches a players head or there will be one every match.

I am not keen on the set restart rule as referees can get away with it without any criticism whereas they used to get a reaction from the crowd when an incorrect penalty was given. I think Leeds got a set restart on the zero tackle last night which had no barring for us, whereas Saints get theres on the 3rd / 4th / 5th tackle.

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:10 pm  

Missed the game live I was on my way back from Spain. When I watched it back, the biggest difference was the intent, with the ball we showed a lot more intent to move it around and without it we had a lot more intent in our defence. Still a number of things to work on, my mate Derrell still gives me heart failure when he has the ball, we still clock off every now and again at marker (Smith for the Lussick try), and we get split by a change of line (Sangare for Dodd) too easy.

Overall massive progress from the first two weeks, MacDonald looks dangerous, Sezer showed he can do it when he gets good ball and is motivated, Sangare and Holroyd looked good and Tetevano had his best game in living memory. On to Wakey, we need to build on this and put them to the sword to recover some of the lost PD so far this year.

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:18 pm  

batleyrhino wrote:

Missed the game live I was on my way back from Spain. When I watched it back, the biggest difference was the intent, with the ball we showed a lot more intent to move it around and without it we had a lot more intent in our defence. Still a number of things to work on, my mate Derrell still gives me heart failure when he has the ball, we still clock off every now and again at marker (Smith for the Lussick try), and we get split by a change of line (Sangare for Dodd) too easy.

Overall massive progress from the first two weeks, MacDonald looks dangerous, Sezer showed he can do it when he gets good ball and is motivated, Sangare and Holroyd looked good and Tetevano had his best game in living memory. On to Wakey, we need to build on this and put them to the sword to recover some of the lost PD so far this year.

Good round up tbh.
Having Holroyd back and some aggressive running from the Sangare etc.
Once Oledski is back and Lisone fit we should not only be finally matching big teams,but beating them for spells throughout the games.
That has a big effect on teams over 80 mins. They will tire make mistakes / give penalties and concede ground.

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:56 pm  

Well happy with that result and the performance.
Tetavano and Smith who get some grief on here stood up well along with Holroyd, Sangare and O`Connor.
Martin back to his best and McDonnel solid.
The halves 100% better than the last 2 weeks and both our centres played well.
Agree Fusitua looks soft to me and slow.
The Walters incident could easily be a penalty and the Hurrell one definitely a red.
No idea why Saints were so rattled and as their coach said their discipline let them down.
Maybe they thought we would just roll over and let them win?
Kendall made some poor decisions but like last week when Taylor should have been binned and we win the game, we got the refs swings and roundabouts lottery this time.

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Sat Mar 04, 2023 7:12 pm  

Neruda wrote:

the guys pathetic - accusing Myler of staying down play acting for the cameras after he was shoulder charged in the head
if i never hear him on a sky game again it'll be too soon

Makes Phil Clarke look nonpartisan! Should bin him off and let Kyle Amor do a bit more. He called the Wire game even when Salford were still winning!