Re: Where do we go from here : Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:35 pm  

Once were Loiners wrote:

Smith hasn't got his own team, especially in the spine, and until he gets that we won't know how good a coach he is.

So so sick of this. Here’s a tip, if someone’s a good coach, you’re aren’t left wondering. They’re able to polish a turd.

It’s not “we need to wait until it’s his own team”, its “look what he’s doing with these players, imagine what he’ll be able to do with his own ones”.

Smith isn’t the guy. We are crap under him because he’s not a very good coach.

Re: Where do we go from here : Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:40 pm  

FlexWheeler wrote:

So so sick of this. Here’s a tip, if someone’s a good coach, you’re aren’t left wondering. They’re able to polish a turd.

It’s not “we need to wait until it’s his own team”, its “look what he’s doing with these players, imagine what he’ll be able to do with his own ones”.

Smith isn’t the guy. We are crap under him because he’s not a very good coach.

Wire were in the same position last season. What if they had taken the same line with Powell? I'm not saying things will work out in the same way, no-one could possibly know that. What if it does, though? But what is clear is that if we pull the trigger now, we are right back to where we started and still no guarantee of any improvement. Ultimately the powers that be need to decide.

Re: Where do we go from here : Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:54 pm  

YosemiteSam wrote:

Wire were in the same position last season. What if they had taken the same line with Powell? I'm not saying things will work out in the same way, no-one could possibly know that. What if it does, though? But what is clear is that if we pull the trigger now, we are right back to where we started and still no guarantee of any improvement. Ultimately the powers that be need to decide.

Trajectory. Chart a graph of the respective teams’ form under their coaches. Wire’s was basically a straight line of nothingness last season, upturn this season. Smith’s rose rapidly last season, but has dropped (and is droppING) rapidly this season despite having a pre-season and recruitment.

If Powell was as inexperienced as Smith, had a short-term upturn then preseason and proceeded to produce what they did last season I imagine wire would have gotten rid.

Also, powell’s team were just playing poorly, they weren’t using flawed tactics. Smiths ideology is flawed.

Re: Where do we go from here : Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:07 pm  

FlexWheeler wrote:

Trajectory. Chart a graph of the respective teams’ form under their coaches. Wire’s was basically a straight line of nothingness last season, upturn this season. Smith’s rose rapidly last season, but has dropped (and is droppING) rapidly this season despite having a pre-season and recruitment.

If Powell was as inexperienced as Smith, had a short-term upturn then preseason and proceeded to produce what they did last season I imagine wire would have gotten rid.

Also, powell’s team were just playing poorly, they weren’t using flawed tactics. Smiths ideology is flawed.

If progress in professional sport was always linear I'd fully agree, but it's not. RS is inexperienced at this level, that is true, but that doesn't negate a reasonable policy of giving him the mandate to clear the decks and recruit if the board some 12 months or so ago thought he was the right choice. Will it workout? No guarantees, of course, that goes without saying, but what's guaranteed is that calling time now means it definitely won't. The question for the decision makers is do they have faith in their choice of head coach or not? It's a question to which the answer has ramifications way past RS's future.

Re: Where do we go from here : Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:25 pm  

YosemiteSam wrote:

If progress in professional sport was always linear I'd fully agree, but it's not. RS is inexperienced at this level, that is true, but that doesn't negate a reasonable policy of giving him the mandate to clear the decks and recruit if the board some 12 months or so ago thought he was the right choice. Will it workout? No guarantees, of course, that goes without saying, but what's guaranteed is that calling time now means it definitely won't. The question for the decision makers is do they have faith in their choice of head coach or not? It's a question to which the answer has ramifications way past RS's future.

They apparently gave him 5 years. So think that answers that one…..

Re: Where do we go from here : Tue Jun 13, 2023 8:00 pm  

since when do contracts mean anything? pardew had a way longer one at Newcastle and got sacked. you only get one years salary as compensation no matter how long you have.
the question is do you trust him to oversee a major recruitment drive and take the club forward.
the answer at the moment is a resounding no

Re: Where do we go from here : Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:07 pm  

New coach

New tactics

A captain

Half backs

That’s what we need

Simples

Re: Where do we go from here : Wed Jun 14, 2023 6:17 am  

Anyone read Smiths response to the captain question in the YEP? The man talks in riddles… bet the players are confused as hell. We need one strong capt on the field with a vice capt

Re: Where do we go from here : Wed Jun 14, 2023 7:55 am  

Trebor1 wrote:

Anyone read Smiths response to the captain question in the YEP? The man talks in riddles… bet the players are confused as hell. We need one strong capt on the field with a vice capt

Have you not realised that hes a certain way with the media since hes been he, doesn't want to give too much away etc, imagine hes completely different with the team.

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Re: Where do we go from here : Wed Jun 14, 2023 8:09 am  

tad rhino wrote:

since when do contracts mean anything? pardew had a way longer one at Newcastle and got sacked. you only get one years salary as compensation no matter how long you have.
the question is do you trust him to oversee a major recruitment drive and take the club forward.
the answer at the moment is a resounding no

That isn't true at all.
If someone has a contract for 3 years and you want to end it they are entitled to the money unless you can prove breach of contract.
Many agree to a payoff to just go but they don't have to.

Of course you can just sack them and stop paying them but they can just take you to court for the money.