: Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:17 pm  

LeedsPokerGuru wrote:

Danny Ward has a GF ring and was picked by a top coach. You're not automatically a top player if you play in a winning team.

Well..Danny Ward had other "issues"

: Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:35 pm  

LeedsPokerGuru wrote:

some people do get carried away. He had one of his better games and stood out in our pack.

Danny Ward has a GF ring and was picked by a top coach. You're not automatically a top player if you play in a winning team.

Bailey is a good squad player who has things he could work on, penalities and go forward being one but his aggression in defence, fitness, quick play of the ball for his reported salary make him a good bit of business.

Nothing wrong with the hit btw.

I agree with most of your post but why use Ward as a negative example? In 2004 he was emerging into one of the best props in the league. hence his representative honours.

Ward thoroughly deserved his GF ring, had a great year and went on to the pinnacle of the sport. Just like Bailey btw. They were not "carried along" by the rest of the great 2004 team, they were an integral part of it. In fact, that mantle probably belonged to Barrie, reaching the back end of his career.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:13 am  

G1 wrote:

I agree with most of your post but why use Ward as a negative example? In 2004 he was emerging into one of the best props in the league. hence his representative honours.

Ward thoroughly deserved his GF ring, had a great year and went on to the pinnacle of the sport. Just like Bailey btw. They were not "carried along" by the rest of the great 2004 team, they were an integral part of it. In fact, that mantle probably belonged to Barrie, reaching the back end of his career.

Agree to disagree on this one .

You used bailey as a positive example hence I brought up Ward. Rings mean nothing when judging a players ability other than they were part of a championship team that year.

Smith has rep honours but you keep saying you think he should leave Leeds now he's proved his doubters wrong. Off topic I personally don't think Bailey has proved his doubters wrong with the same conviction that Smith has. Again agree to disagree.

Back on topic I think its ok for fans to doubt bailey, he doesn't always play like he did the other day which is more frustrating in my book.

Re: Hysterical Hypocrisy : Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:55 am  

DoubleAone wrote:

I have noted of late that some of our guests from over t`ills have been ranting to the point of hysteria with a note of blind hypocrisy.

Is this just something our excitable neighbours are just genetically prone too ????

I'm not sure. I posted something similar on the ridiculously long Bailey thread. I just think they're still bitter over something that happens in October at OT.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:37 am  

LeedsPokerGuru wrote:

Off topic I personally don't think Bailey has proved his doubters wrong with the same conviction that Smith has. Again agree to disagree.

Back on topic I think its ok for fans to doubt bailey, he doesn't always play like he did the other day which is more frustrating in my book.

I think The Black Adrian Morley has more than proved himself. He's been a regular for 6 years minus 9 months and in that time he's been selected by Darryl Powell, Tony Smith, Brian Noble and Brian McClennan.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:45 am  

Saint Simon wrote:

.............., a player has been judged to have ducked into a tackle, we won the game anyway! Lets all move on with our lives

At last.... Its only taken them a week.

not bitter and twisted at all..what an embarrasment.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:46 am  

LeedsPokerGuru wrote:

Agree to disagree on this one .

You used bailey as a positive example hence I brought up Ward. Rings mean nothing when judging a players ability other than they were part of a championship team that year.

Smith has rep honours but you keep saying you think he should leave Leeds now he's proved his doubters wrong. Off topic I personally don't think Bailey has proved his doubters wrong with the same conviction that Smith has. Again agree to disagree.

Back on topic I think its ok for fans to doubt bailey, he doesn't always play like he did the other day which is more frustrating in my book.

Ward was a great player in 2004, and carried our pack for much of 2005. He has had other issues which have prevented him from improving. Ability is not the problem with him.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:28 am  

King Monkey wrote:

I think The Black Adrian Morley has more than proved himself. He's been a regular for 6 years minus 9 months and in that time he's been selected by Darryl Powell, Tony Smith, Brian Noble and Brian McClennan.

Danny they are only SL and international coaches what do they know ffs.
Get a grip man.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:30 am  

LeedsPokerGuru wrote:

Agree to disagree on this one .

You used bailey as a positive example hence I brought up Ward. Rings mean nothing when judging a players ability other than they were part of a championship team that year.

Fair enough but I vehemently believe that Ward was one of the best props in the game in 2004 and 2005. Which prop from 2004 do you think had the bigger impact i the Grand Final, Ward or McDermott? If we can't judge a player on success in his domestic team or representative honours achieved I am at a loss as to how we can judge him.

Smith has rep honours but you keep saying you think he should leave Leeds

No I don't. Link please.

I think Smith is a fantastic player and hope he stays. What I have said is he is not irreplaceable. He's 2nd choice full back and BJB is in the wings. I don;t think he's a better winger than Donald and Hall is adequate. It remains to be seen what his contribution will be at centre. Therefore, we should not break the bank or try and compete with any outlandish alleged union offers. I have also tried to inject some balance into the debate of people who will slate a player in poor form and hail him as Lewis Jones after several decent performances. Can you understand the difference between that and "he should leave"?

Off topic I personally don't think Bailey has proved his doubters wrong with the same conviction that Smith has. Again agree to disagree.

Agree to disagree. I think being a mainstay of our pack for seven hugely successful seasons means he has little if anything to prove.

Back on topic I think its ok for fans to doubt bailey, he doesn't always play like he did the other day which is more frustrating in my book.

Agreed. No player does. Just like Smith hasn't always hit the vein of form he showed at full back in the last seven games he played there.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:15 am  

I cant believe the straw clutching about Bailey being picked for international honours. He had a half decent first game, then was absolute garbage and was dropped quicker than he was by Paul Sculthorpe