: Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:12 pm  

King Whino wrote:

it doesn't

subtract the 5 minutes he was wondering about seeing stars after the hit

then provide data on which team had possession when he was on the field

and in what field position, and under what circumstances

data of how long the ball was in play, and the nature of any stoppages

and then you may have a context for a meaningful analysis

Opta stats struggle with assigning a try scoring pass, let alone any of that

: Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:15 pm  

~ No1 Saints Fan ~ wrote:

Jeez, doesn't look like Bailey and Leuluai moved in attack. 40 and 47 metres for props are quite frankly pathetic.

Tell that to Fielden who made 25 meters the other week.

: Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:18 pm  

King Whino wrote:

and then you may have a context for a meaningful analysis

Was Bailey playing in a different game to the other players mentioned?

Whatever criteria you want to attach, it's the same for everyone out there when looking at the overall figures. Unless the game between the 11th and 31st minutes took on a unique pattern dissimilar from the remaining sixty.

: Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:27 pm  

tvoc wrote:

Was Bailey playing in a different game to the other players mentioned?

Whatever criteria you want to attach, it's the same for everyone out there when looking at the overall figures. Unless the game between the 11th and 31st minutes took on a unique pattern dissimilar from the remaining sixty.

no its not

what if, of the 15 minutes he was compus mentus, leeds had the ball for half the time

7 minutes, less 2 or 3 stoppages, 5 minutes

that could be 4 sets

what if those 4 sets were all in the leeds 20

where supercoach bluey insists on using threequarters to take the first 2 drives of every set, after the 1st is the kick return

that leaves 12 tackes, 4 of which are the last and result in a poor kick down the oppositions throat

leaves 8 tackles, so he has a 50% hit up rate on his available plays

not bad ?

stats in isolation are meaningless

: Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:45 pm  

King Whino wrote:

no its not

what if....

That's a lot of ducks you're lining up there to try and justify four (pretty effective) drives in twenty minutes.

: Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:57 pm  

of course it is

in reality he got ko'd on a drop out return didn't he?

how many plays would you speculate he had the potential to drive the ball in during his time on the field?

: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:24 pm  

King Whino wrote:

of course it is

in reality he got ko'd on a drop out return didn't he?

how many plays would you speculate he had the potential to drive the ball in during his time on the field?

You're digging a hole for yourself. A dropout return should get at least 15 metres therefore 3 drives in 15 minutes got him 25 metres.

: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:33 pm  

King Whino wrote:

how many plays would you speculate he had the potential to drive the ball in during his time on the field?

Why speculate when we have the full game stats. Leeds had 211 hit ups in eighty minutes.

An equal quarter of that would be between 52 and 53.

How many of those should a fresh prop be expected to contribute, is the answer really going to be four?

: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:44 pm  

finglas wrote:

You're digging a hole for yourself. A dropout return should get at least 15 metres therefore 3 drives in 15 minutes got him 25 metres.

no i'm not

i'm wasting a few work minutes on some meanlingless jousting over stats about no of drives not meters gained, have another read & clear that up for yourself

: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:52 pm  

tvoc wrote:

Why speculate when we have the full game stats. Leeds had 211 hit ups in eighty minutes.

An equal quarter of that would be between 52 and 53.

How many of those should a fresh prop be expected to contribute, is the answer really going to be four?

ah, so the game is played in neat little segments where all the variables are equal to make statistical analysis neat and tidy

ok then,

8 sets

48 tackles, less tackle 1 & 6 is 32

what % of those should be prop forward drives, second row drives, passing moves, half backs caught in possession disappearing up their own backsides

let me have those % and I'll rate Bailey via your theory

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