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Re: Eastmond to Bath RU confirmed : Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:50 pm  

BigJake wrote:

there is nothing on the bath website or on the bath twitter he may be right but i feel he jumped the gun on this one

Maybe he won't be joining Bath, Sale on the other hand...

Re: Eastmond to Bath RU confirmed : Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:21 pm  

DHM wrote:

I'd think it would be vital. He's going to have to learn another sport from scratch. I can see that they would want him to be released early.

I did laugh when hearing Jeremy Guscott talking about his tries on Saturday, saying that "you can't coach support play like that". Maybe not in Union, but it's a fundamental of League and Ashton will have been coached support on the inside shoulder from the day he started playing the game.

Absolutely....grind my teeth at the the way he is stuck on some sort of pedestal when - as you state - it's the type of play we see all the time in RL. Imagine how much we would hae to suffer continued replays if any of the tries scored by the likes of Brough, Burrow, BJB etc etc at the weekend were scored by one of the yawnion boys.

A break-through for me is my dyed in the wool RU supporting father-in-law agreeing to attend a relatively local Leeds away RL (Wigan being the favourite). As a Sale supporter he has heard the rumours about Eastmond joining them...so might prefer a visit to Widnes instead. We'll see.

Re: Eastmond to Bath RU confirmed : Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:02 pm  

Gandy wrote:

Never heard of him

I think Unions a joke sport. Everyones entitled to their opinions!

Yep, and that was my opinion of him!

Re: Eastmond to Bath RU confirmed : Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:07 pm  

You can't pretend Eastmond doesn't have the potential to be a really good RL player, so it definitely is bad for the game in England if he goes. What ought to be most worrying is that SL doesn't produce standout prospects on a regular basis, at least in the backs - we simply can't replace the likes of Eastmond without going for the easy NRL option.

It's also yet another signal to young players in RL that it is a small sport compared to Union in terms of money and profile. If anything, it seems that in England at least that particular gap is widening.

Re: Eastmond to Bath RU confirmed : Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:44 pm  

For me its club before country everytime. I don't want to wind everyone up but if it helps our chances of regaining the title this season by him going then I'd take it. That England team will be shocking for a few years even with him in it

Re: Eastmond to Bath RU confirmed : Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:22 am  

DHM wrote:

I'd think it would be vital. He's going to have to learn another sport from scratch. I can see that they would want him to be released early.

It would be a shame to see him played on the wing, and that's about all he will be able for if he doesn't get a good pre-season. FWIW I think he could do well, but he is going to have to face the Chev factor. Local Northern lad moves to the Westcountry away from all family and friends.

Ashton has done well partly because he started in a great team in a lesser league, and not that far away from his hometown. He was able to learn the game with relatively little pressure. I did laugh when hearing Jeremy Guscott talking about his tries on Saturday, saying that "you can't coach support play like that". Maybe not in Union, but it's a fundamental of League and Ashton will have been coached support on the inside shoulder from the day he started playing the game.

Brian Moore mentions the learning Ashton got from RL almost every game - then he is a quality broadcaster

Re: Eastmond to Bath RU confirmed : Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:16 am  

AdmiralHanson wrote:

For every Jason Robinson, there's a Lee Smith or Chev Walker.

Whilst I totally agree with that concept... let's get real, Kyle Eastmond is by far a superior player to either Smith or Walker. He's also much more of a RU style player too. Smith & Walker both fall into that same category of "Not big enough to hang with the big boys but not small/fast/skilful enough to hang with the world class playmakers."

My (outsiders) impression of RU is the best in the game are either huge and difficult to stop or skilful and rarely take a tackle. Whilst Eastmond would fall into the latter, Smith/Walker/Average RL Joe fall into neither.

Re: Eastmond to Bath RU confirmed : Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:29 am  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

You can't pretend Eastmond doesn't have the potential to be a really good RL player, so it definitely is bad for the game in England if he goes.

I'd agree: he did have the potential to be a good RL player. On the positive side, that can be said of quite a few young players, and some of them will go on to fulfil their potential.

Re: Eastmond to Bath RU confirmed : Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:01 pm  

Remarkable_Rhinos wrote:

Whilst I totally agree with that concept... let's get real, Kyle Eastmond is by far a superior player to either Smith or Walker. He's also much more of a RU style player too. Smith & Walker both fall into that same category of "Not big enough to hang with the big boys but not small/fast/skilful enough to hang with the world class playmakers."

My (outsiders) impression of RU is the best in the game are either huge and difficult to stop or skilful and rarely take a tackle. Whilst Eastmond would fall into the latter, Smith/Walker/Average RL Joe fall into neither.

I'm interested to see where an RU side is going to play him.

IMO he lacks the speed and accuracy of pass required to play scrum half, the long kicking game to play fly half or the physicality to play in the centres. If you play him on the wing or at full-back he's going to have to deal with a barrage of high balls and spend half the game buried at the bottom of a ruck.

While he may be a good player, he's not of the same magical quality that Jason Robinson was - IMO.

Re: Eastmond to Bath RU confirmed : Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:48 pm  

Remarkable_Rhinos wrote:

My (outsiders) impression of RU is the best in the game are either huge and difficult to stop or skilful and rarely take a tackle. Whilst Eastmond would fall into the latter, Smith/Walker/Average RL Joe fall into neither.

Which of those categories does the current England RU captain fall in to?

It's a huge compliment being paid to League and should act as a recruiting sargeant for the sport. Any young players wanting to eventually get on in Union could do a lot worse than giving League a go if it's available to them (where they will get a greater opportunity to showcase their rugby skills - and noticed by the Union scouts.)

The boot is firmly on the other foot these days but it must be difficult for League figures to protest too much considering the history between the codes. At least League clubs have the potential to be compensated for their loss if they can tie their rising starlets to reasonably lengthy contracts.