Re: Sir Kev : Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:14 pm  

I may be remembering this completely incorrectly but I do have a memory that his first game as a stand in captain was in a game against Warrington and we got a bit of a hammering

I remember thinking he was not really Captain material....

How wrong I was and how overwhelmingly glad I am that I was wrong. I agree with all of the above that it has been a real privilege to watch him and have him as the ultimate representative of our club and sport over the years

Long may it continue....

Re: Sir Kev : Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:43 pm  

Lord_Percy wrote:

Oh, and a huge congratulation to Sir Kev, it'll be nice to say in years to come that I was there when the record fell and it's been a honour to watch him over the years

This is what I said to the missus last night.

It's a pleasure to watch this humble man at Leeds and he deserves all the above plaudits.

Re: Sir Kev : Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:49 pm  

I'd like to offer my congratulations to Sir Kev on this remarkable achievement of surpassing the legendary Lewis Jones' points scoring record at the club

Sir Kev you are a living legend of our great club

Re: Sir Kev : Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:14 pm  

Should we just put him in the hall of fame now....
Legend is used to much these days but this man is quite simply a Leeds legend up there with the great John Holmes...

Re: Sir Kev : Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:44 am  

Keith Swiftcorn wrote:

nantwichexile wrote:

True.....BUT nobody should try to debilitate Sinfield's achievement. It could not happen to a more deserving guy. As others have stated he is a model professional, outstanding captain and a perfect role model. He has no exceptional world beating qualities, but his average skills are complemented and surpassed by his rare invaluable, always-ready-to-hold-his-hand-up 'presence' that never fails to inspire others around him.

A privilege to watch his place in history been cemented.

All valid points which you make there.

On the subject of points scoring records, my personal opinion (as I've opined several times before) is that records built up during the Super League era are exactly that... they are Super League records which ought to remain separate and distinct from all from other previous records. On that basis, Sinfield broke the 'Rhinos' points scoring record a long time ago.

It's an entirely different game these days in so many aspects with little to no contest for possession and an emphasis on creating conditions/rules changes favouring attacks and the amassing of points in the name of 'entertainment'. The Super League era also defines itself by it's lack of competitiveness - where a handful of top clubs are almost guaranteed 2 easy games out of every 3 which provides further opportunities to amass both team and individual points.

Then there's the switch to summer rugby playing in more favourable weather conditions along with the utilisation of modern technology like kicking tees, better playing surfaces.

all valid points even if a little one sided.

Re: Sir Kev : Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:58 am  

The Eagle wrote:

all valid points even if a little one sided.

Indeed, I did fail to terminate my post with NUMBER 1, FACT and END OF, therefore it's a reasonable call that my opinion is valid 'even if a little one sided'

Re: Sir Kev : Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:06 am  

Whose record did Lewis Jones break?
I'm sure all the points that you make re Sinfield's achievement could have been made then too.
Talk about damning with faint praise or perhaps more accurately, expressing grudging admiration.
They were both fantastic achievements & I would argue that Leeds' current spell of winning major trophies, in which Sinfield's efforts have been a crucial contributory factor, exceeds even those of the Lewis Jones era.
I agree with the poster who said how fitting it would be for Jones to make a presentation at our next home game to mark Sinfield's achievement.

Re: Sir Kev : Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:16 am  

Very modest too saying he was lucky that most of his kicks have come in front of the posts when we all remember many (very important) touchline kicks.

Re: Sir Kev : Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:20 am  

Keith Swiftcorn wrote:

The Super League era also defines itself by it's lack of competitiveness - where a handful of top clubs are almost guaranteed 2 easy games out of every 3 which provides further opportunities to amass both team and individual points.

Surely in the one division era there were plenty of uneven match-ups? (genuine question)

Also within my memory I can remember pretty uncompetitive pre-SL era seasons (eg 1994-1995).

I agree with your main point that its a completely different game now but it happened through gradual evolution not a step change (even if SL was a big step in that evolution). While it's impossible to truly compare players from different eras, records are records. IMHO you can't just pick and choose whether you compare them as their are too many factors - as you say theirs a more focus on attacking play an entertainment but on the other hand in the past kicking for goal from penalties (rather than going for a try) was more common with the try only being worth 1 more point.

Re: Sir Kev : Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:21 am  

Old Feller wrote:

Whose record did Lewis Jones break?
I'm sure all the pints that you make re Sinfield's achievement could have been made then too.
Talk about damning with faint praise or perhaps more accurately, expressing grudging admiration.
They were both fantastic achievements & I would argue that Leeds' current spell of winning major trophies, in which Sinfield's efforts have been a crucial contributory factor, exceeds even those of the Lewis Jones era.
I agree with the poster who said how fitting it would be for Jones to make a presentation at our next home game to mark Sinfield's achievement.

I'm not likely to fall in line with any religiously reverent sheep on this forum anytime soon, particularly those who don't hold statistics in a very high regard unless those statistics fit snugly with their current agenda (eg, Pro-Sinfield or Anti-Kirke). After all, they usually prefer to make judgements based on their own personal matchday observations instead, don't they?

It's a Rhinos record during the Super League era IMO and not relevant in comparison to previous records set during the Rugby League era. I have no issue with you, Lewis Jones or anyone else disagreeing with that viewpoint.