Re: 2017 | Out of Contract Players : Mon May 01, 2017 12:52 pm  

If we're continuing with a 30 man squad next year then I think most of those youngsters will stay (if they want to).

Think McGuire will retire this year but JJB will play on. Burrow will be interesting as Parcell's strong form has limited his game time. Given his groin issues in the last couple of seasons then might want to accept a sub role is what's better for him rather than trying to go be a starter elsewhere.

Re: 2017 | Out of Contract Players : Mon May 01, 2017 12:58 pm  

Seth wrote:

So on the basis of him not ripping it up yet in the 19s (in your assessment) despite injury and everything gotcha alludes to, and his brother, whos relatively young for a prop and playing SL, youd get rid of him? Riiiiight

It isn't just my assessment of the quality of his performances in the U19s. I think some on here are blinded by their view of him as a junior. Let's see it depends on your view of how good he is and whether he can make the transition. The really top quality youngsters would be knocking at the door of the first team.

Daniel Smith is a year younger than Brad Singleton how would compare their development?

I hope he can make that transition if he is good as you all think - then he will be a superstar of the future, time will tell.

Re: 2017 | Out of Contract Players : Mon May 01, 2017 1:12 pm  

A lot depends on what the club feel the younger lads are worth paying at this stage in their careers. The likes of Smith, Lilley etc still very young and with little first team experience but by the same token are on the verge of breaking through, and may be told by their agents they should be paid or good get paid a certain wage which is not in the same bracket as we are willing to go to. We will see what happens over the next couple of months.

Re: 2017 | Out of Contract Players : Mon May 01, 2017 1:25 pm  

I understood lilley signed a 4 year deal a while back

Re: 2017 | Out of Contract Players : Mon May 01, 2017 2:12 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Size wise he was significant larger than virtually every other kid he played against. When he made his debut at Bradford he looked not out of place physically - now when you see him he looks small when compared to even his peer group. Something has gone seriously wrong with his development.

Time will tell it would be criminal if a junior with his potential didn't realise it.

You look at young Walker and you can see he is class and will be a really top player - a bit like McGuire when he first emerged can you say the same about Smith? I hope you are right.

I have seen Smith throughout his career, and certainly from 14's upward he definitely was not larger than every kid on the opposition. He was a stand off for a lot of his junior days. His size came as he got older, not as you suggest. His attributes were not his size, that was a bonus later.

You mention Jack because you have just seen him play a couple of games. Jack is the same as he has always been, always had the talent. His talent is pace, and like Smith reading the game. You ask Jack who is the top players in his age group, and first named would be Smith.

Re: 2017 | Out of Contract Players : Mon May 01, 2017 2:57 pm  

As I understand it, the bulk of the Leeds squad are out of contract by the end of 2018. The only back with a longer deal is Watkins plus Ferres, Garbutt, parcell, ward and ormondroyd in the pack.
So lots for GH/McD to ponder and should mean some hungry players for rest of this year and next.
Like others think Mc Guire will bow out this year. with JJB what he provides at training and in and around the dressing room means the whole package is worth more than just the still high level of graft on the park.
However, as a group the Leeds pack lacks pace/mobility and I would not want to see him go on too long.

Smith has suffered a lot with injuries so would seem strange to not retain him and give him chance to develop. Last I saw him, he seemed to be carrying his left foot in an unnatural way when running. don't know if he has suffered a bad left leg/ankle injury in the past but it looked a bit awkward. Hopefully was just a temporary issue.

Re: 2017 | Out of Contract Players : Mon May 01, 2017 3:59 pm  

What Batley said!!

Re: 2017 | Out of Contract Players : Mon May 01, 2017 4:47 pm  

As with Mac I hope that Mags gets the opportunity to leave on a high by at least leaving with one more trophy. Burrow , I would hope we would retain so the he can join the coaching staff whether as junior initially ( he was great with them in past) then maybe later in senior squad...as backs coach ...JJB..puts in lot of hard graft ..yes also gives away lot of penalties but would also say lot of people said when Segeyaro joined last season it changed our fortunes..true but so did JJB's return from injury. He leads by example...we need to keep him on in some capacity. I would say on all the senior players who coming to end of time...that whilst admirable to want to win more..you need that spirit in squad..if their bodies not able to do another season...call it a day...sure number of others that were not on that list.
On Sutty, in 2015 he was initially seen as the heir to Kev, his partnership with Mags looked very promising...then however he got injured n he was unable to rediscover that level mind didn't help when he was constantly put in different positions...even covering for Golding as FB when Golding was injured..doing well there ..but now we have cover for that position in Walker...IF Moon is the choice at half back for next season or is this a temporary position for this season....IF Mags does retire after this season, Moon stay on as half back....then whoever partners him we are starting fresh again next season...if it is Sutty or Lilley then really they should start bedding them in so they can develop the partnership.( though don't see that happening as they will want to try n go for a trophy.

On Cameron Smith , he looked good when he made his brief debut against SL opposition n was close to scoring....seems ages ago...been unlucky with injuries...came back to U19s last week ( On his Birthday i think) when he came on he scored..he seemed to be back to his strong self was a good try...would hope like Oledzki he gets benefit of playing either for Bradford or Featherstone...he is definitely one for the future..few others in U19s hope we hold on to as well.

Re: 2017 | Out of Contract Players : Mon May 01, 2017 6:12 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

It isn't just my assessment of the quality of his performances in the U19s. I think some on here are blinded by their view of him as a junior. Let's see it depends on your view of how good he is and whether he can make the transition. The really top quality youngsters would be knocking at the door of the first team.

Daniel Smith is a year younger than Brad Singleton how would compare their development?

I hope he can make that transition if he is good as you all think - then he will be a superstar of the future, time will tell.

The thing is theres a world of difference between my thoughts on his potential and your suggestion of just letting him go at 18!

Singleton has hardly been plain sailing in his development and isnt exactly pushing the top 10 props in SL.

Re: 2017 | Out of Contract Players : Mon May 01, 2017 6:28 pm  

Seth wrote:

The thing is theres a world of difference between my thoughts on his potential and your suggestion of just letting him go at 18!

Singleton has hardly been plain sailing in his development and isnt exactly pushing the top 10 props in SL.

Agreed but he is in a hell of a lot better place than Daniel Smith which is the point.