Re: SL GF E | St Helens (A) : Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:33 am  

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christopher wrote:

Newman should never have been in a position where he had to kick, that’s down to saints being dominant and our options at hooker and half back

Mik was clearly not fit I think your being a bit harsh on them

No I'm not. I really like both. I'm just pointing that as fans we often seem blind to the failings of our home grown players, whilst being really keen to give the overseas lads a bashing.

Re: SL GF E | St Helens (A) : Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:37 am  

Les Norton wrote:

Agree with that. I’d written us off last night as soon as I saw Dwyer was starting at 9. When you’re attacking everything starts with the pass / scoot / jump from the dummy half. Dwyer’s distribution is simply not good enough.

Yep and leeming's limitations in the halves just compound it. He can throw a half decent pass from dummy but falls far short when picking a runner while on the move, especially when moving it on any distance.
That said, a fit gale and new signings mean leeming reverts to starting hooker and Dwyer impact sub which obviously corrects a lot of problems

Re: SL GF E | St Helens (A) : Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:44 am  

ArthurClues wrote:

[exturl][/exturl]No I'm not. I really like both. I'm just pointing that as fans we often seem blind to the failings of our home grown players, whilst being really keen to give the overseas lads a bashing.

Correct though hopefully the coaches provide more objectivity. Enthusiasm is great but I'd hope there's more said behind closed doors.

Re: SL GF E | St Helens (A) : Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:46 am  

I don’t think anyone is bashing any player. Prior has been immense at times for us. In fact he has had games where he’s raised it to a level other players can’t match.

It’s fair to say we haven’t seen that player in the last quarter of the season unfortunately. He is a quality player - hopefully age isn’t going to catch up with him too much over the next 2 years.

Zane I’ve been very disappointed with. Mitigating circumstances this year, as I’ve said benefit of the doubt and see how he goes next year. It’s a play-off game last night and a marquee should be among the best on the pitch. What was it, 11 tackle misses? Something isn’t right there, let’s hope it is recoverable COVID symptoms / legacy from his Achilles or something.

Re: SL GF E | St Helens (A) : Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:58 am  

What does Agar mean in his presser by 'digging into the line too soon'?

Re: SL GF E | St Helens (A) : Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:13 pm  

Newman is a good player, also has the potential to be a great player. Probably had a rude awakening last night due to the intensity of the saints aggressive defence. Different scenario from most teams he has faced this year, I do have some sympathy with him as the service he is receiving is woeful. The imbalance across the three quarters is shocking. Not much ability on view to pass and put him through a gap. I am not sorry to see hurell leave , initially pretty good then developed into a bit of showman.

Re: SL GF E | St Helens (A) : Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:21 pm  

paddock wrote:

What does Agar mean in his presser by 'digging into the line too soon'?

Hitting up from first receiver too often I imagine. Predictable and it allowed saints to hit our carrier with 3 tacklers simultaneously. Their use of runners was far better

Re: SL GF E | St Helens (A) : Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:31 pm  

Backwoodsman wrote:

Newman is a good player, also has the potential to be a great player. Probably had a rude awakening last night due to the intensity of the saints aggressive defence. Different scenario from most teams he has faced this year, I do have some sympathy with him as the service he is receiving is woeful. The imbalance across the three quarters is shocking. Not much ability on view to pass and put him through a gap. I am not sorry to see hurell leave , initially pretty good then developed into a bit of showman.

Again I think Hurrell has hardly been fit for a year now.

Re: SL GF E | St Helens (A) : Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:53 pm  

It's a disgrace this saints team is going to win 3 on the trot. Everyone is so crap, they don't even have to work for it.

Re: SL GF E | St Helens (A) : Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:48 pm  

Anyone think Cats will beat them?