Re: RD 16 | St Helens (A) : Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:41 am  

It must be massively frustrating to be a Leeds fan right now. That game had everything really and there is a lot of potential in that team. You showed some real attacking intent, moved the ball well and Newman and Hardaker looked dangerous. You defended well in spells as well, some great goal line scramble and commitment on show. But you managed to concede 40 outside of those moments and it could have been nearer 50 had Makinson packed his kicking boots.

I was really impressed with Walters for you though ,there is so much raw potential there. He could end up being an outstanding prop in the Walmsley mould if he continues to progress and adds to his frame. He was everywhere and didn't shy away from anything. There's a lot of talk about the likes of Oledzki and Gannon, but Walters looks a fantastic prospect on that evidence.

Not sure what provoked Tetavano's tackle. You could see the regret oozing out of him as he stood waiting for his inevitable card. But to do it to Konrad of all people was just bizarre. Your discipline is an enormous issue that Smith is going to have to fix. I'd fix Zane's by telling him to leave and work with the rest. Bentley can come good, he's just trying too hard to impress and struggling to contain his frustration. The referee was calamitous last night I'll admit, some shocking decisions. With us having most of the ball inevitably you suffered on some of his bizarre 'Try' calls, but his one for the knock on by your player was equally hilarious, it was right in front of him. Despite his ineptness, the reaction from several of your players just wasn't good enough. Austin, Sezer, Hardaker and particularly Newman could all have been sent off for their reactions, some of the language you could hear at the game aimed towards the officials was poor. Newman was like a Premier League player, storming across the field to cry about the decisions, then fly out of position on the next set and expose the team. It looks like a team with no leaders to me, there's no one pulling them together and getting them to refocus. We scored directly after a lot of the decisions your players didn't agree with, not because of the decision, but because your players let it get to them.

Re: RD 16 | St Helens (A) : Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:45 am  

Saddened! wrote:

It must be massively frustrating to be a Leeds fan right now. That game had everything really and there is a lot of potential in that team. You showed some real attacking intent, moved the ball well and Newman and Hardaker looked dangerous. You defended well in spells as well, some great goal line scramble and commitment on show. But you managed to concede 40 outside of those moments and it could have been nearer 50 had Makinson packed his kicking boots.

I was really impressed with Walters for you though ,there is so much raw potential there. He could end up being an outstanding prop in the Walmsley mould if he continues to progress and adds to his frame. He was everywhere and didn't shy away from anything. There's a lot of talk about the likes of Oledzki and Gannon, but Walters looks a fantastic prospect on that evidence.

Not sure what provoked Tetavano's tackle. You could see the regret oozing out of him as he stood waiting for his inevitable card. But to do it to Konrad of all people was just bizarre. Your discipline is an enormous issue that Smith is going to have to fix. I'd fix Zane's by telling him to leave and work with the rest. Bentley can come good, he's just trying too hard to impress and struggling to contain his frustration. The referee was calamitous last night I'll admit, some shocking decisions. With us having most of the ball inevitably you suffered on some of his bizarre 'Try' calls, but his one for the knock on by your player was equally hilarious, it was right in front of him. Despite his ineptness, the reaction from several of your players just wasn't good enough. Austin, Sezer, Hardaker and particularly Newman could all have been sent off for their reactions, some of the language you could hear at the game aimed towards the officials was poor. Newman was like a Premier League player, storming across the field to cry about the decisions, then fly out of position on the next set and expose the team. It looks like a team with no leaders to me, there's no one pulling them together and getting them to refocus. We scored directly after a lot of the decisions your players didn't agree with, not because of the decision, but because your players let it get to them.

Good post, pretty much nailed it.

Re: RD 16 | St Helens (A) : Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:48 am  

Saddened! wrote:

It must be massively frustrating to be a Leeds fan right now. That game had everything really and there is a lot of potential in that team. You showed some real attacking intent, moved the ball well and Newman and Hardaker looked dangerous. You defended well in spells as well, some great goal line scramble and commitment on show. But you managed to concede 40 outside of those moments and it could have been nearer 50 had Makinson packed his kicking boots.

I was really impressed with Walters for you though ,there is so much raw potential there. He could end up being an outstanding prop in the Walmsley mould if he continues to progress and adds to his frame. He was everywhere and didn't shy away from anything. There's a lot of talk about the likes of Oledzki and Gannon, but Walters looks a fantastic prospect on that evidence.

Not sure what provoked Tetavano's tackle. You could see the regret oozing out of him as he stood waiting for his inevitable card. But to do it to Konrad of all people was just bizarre. Your discipline is an enormous issue that Smith is going to have to fix. I'd fix Zane's by telling him to leave and work with the rest. Bentley can come good, he's just trying too hard to impress and struggling to contain his frustration. The referee was calamitous last night I'll admit, some shocking decisions. With us having most of the ball inevitably you suffered on some of his bizarre 'Try' calls, but his one for the knock on by your player was equally hilarious, it was right in front of him. Despite his ineptness, the reaction from several of your players just wasn't good enough. Austin, Sezer, Hardaker and particularly Newman could all have been sent off for their reactions, some of the language you could hear at the game aimed towards the officials was poor. Newman was like a Premier League player, storming across the field to cry about the decisions, then fly out of position on the next set and expose the team. It looks like a team with no leaders to me, there's no one pulling them together and getting them to refocus. We scored directly after a lot of the decisions your players didn't agree with, not because of the decision, but because your players let it get to them.

good post

Re: RD 16 | St Helens (A) : Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:52 am  

Saddened! wrote:

It must be massively frustrating to be a Leeds fan right now. That game had everything really and there is a lot of potential in that team. You showed some real attacking intent, moved the ball well and Newman and Hardaker looked dangerous. You defended well in spells as well, some great goal line scramble and commitment on show. But you managed to concede 40 outside of those moments and it could have been nearer 50 had Makinson packed his kicking boots.

I was really impressed with Walters for you though ,there is so much raw potential there. He could end up being an outstanding prop in the Walmsley mould if he continues to progress and adds to his frame. He was everywhere and didn't shy away from anything. There's a lot of talk about the likes of Oledzki and Gannon, but Walters looks a fantastic prospect on that evidence.

Not sure what provoked Tetavano's tackle. You could see the regret oozing out of him as he stood waiting for his inevitable card. But to do it to Konrad of all people was just bizarre. Your discipline is an enormous issue that Smith is going to have to fix. I'd fix Zane's by telling him to leave and work with the rest. Bentley can come good, he's just trying too hard to impress and struggling to contain his frustration. The referee was calamitous last night I'll admit, some shocking decisions. With us having most of the ball inevitably you suffered on some of his bizarre 'Try' calls, but his one for the knock on by your player was equally hilarious, it was right in front of him. Despite his ineptness, the reaction from several of your players just wasn't good enough. Austin, Sezer, Hardaker and particularly Newman could all have been sent off for their reactions, some of the language you could hear at the game aimed towards the officials was poor. Newman was like a Premier League player, storming across the field to cry about the decisions, then fly out of position on the next set and expose the team. It looks like a team with no leaders to me, there's no one pulling them together and getting them to refocus. We scored directly after a lot of the decisions your players didn't agree with, not because of the decision, but because your players let it get to them.

Sums it up nicely.

Frustrating is definitely the word, every time we look like turning a corner, wether that be injuries or a win we seem to take two steps backward.

For the first time in ages we have a pretty much full squad out, then we end up with a red and two yellows.

Some of our attacking play and defensive qualities in the first half showed real promise. Yes the Ref had a shocker but the players need to react far far better than they did, leave the screaming an moaning to us fans.

I think Newman might get a talking to, not a ban but a warning.

I thin Walmsley should get cited also, yes Tetevano high shot was ridiculous but Walmsley ran in and attacked Tetevano, looked like he swung an arm at his head - Zane deserved it but that has resulted in a Ban for some players this year.

Re: RD 16 | St Helens (A) : Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:31 pm  

christopher wrote:

I think Walmsley should get cited also, yes Tetevano high shot was ridiculous but Walmsley ran in and attacked Tetevano, looked like he swung an arm at his head

I need to have another look at that - I honestly thought he was just doing what players always do after someone does something bizarrely violent to a team-mate (get to them quickly and drag them off a potentially injured player before they do anything else crazy) but I didn't see any swinging arm to the head. If anything he slowed down when he pushed ZT off Hurrell. Could be wrong though (wouldn't be the first time). If AW did attack him I think it would be the first time I've ever seen him attack anyone.

Newman continues to look a terrific player when he can get onto the pitch.

Re: RD 16 | St Helens (A) : Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:57 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

I need to have another look at that - I honestly thought he was just doing what players always do after someone does something bizarrely violent to a team-mate (get to them quickly and drag them off a potentially injured player before they do anything else crazy) but I didn't see any swinging arm to the head. If anything he slowed down when he pushed ZT off Hurrell. Could be wrong though (wouldn't be the first time). If AW did attack him I think it would be the first time I've ever seen him attack anyone.

Newman continues to look a terrific player when he can get onto the pitch.

To be fair I’ve not watched it back either so Im only going on what I first saw, I don’t think he ‘pushed’ him off more went in to grapple with Tetevano

Re: RD 16 | St Helens (A) : Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:59 pm  

Found a video It’s probably somewhere between the two https://twitter.com/martinjgabor/status ... 77920?s=21 Tetevanos hit looks worse with every viewing! Lucky it was on a big guy like hurrell anyone smaller it could have caused some serious damage

Found a video It’s probably somewhere between the two https://twitter.com/martinjgabor/status ... 77920?s=21 Tetevanos hit looks worse with every viewing! Lucky it was on a big guy like hurrell anyone smaller it could have caused some serious damage

Re: RD 16 | St Helens (A) : Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:14 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

It must be massively frustrating to be a Leeds fan right now. That game had everything really and there is a lot of potential in that team. You showed some real attacking intent, moved the ball well and Newman and Hardaker looked dangerous. You defended well in spells as well, some great goal line scramble and commitment on show. But you managed to concede 40 outside of those moments and it could have been nearer 50 had Makinson packed his kicking boots.

I was really impressed with Walters for you though ,there is so much raw potential there. He could end up being an outstanding prop in the Walmsley mould if he continues to progress and adds to his frame. He was everywhere and didn't shy away from anything. There's a lot of talk about the likes of Oledzki and Gannon, but Walters looks a fantastic prospect on that evidence.

Not sure what provoked Tetavano's tackle. You could see the regret oozing out of him as he stood waiting for his inevitable card. But to do it to Konrad of all people was just bizarre. Your discipline is an enormous issue that Smith is going to have to fix. I'd fix Zane's by telling him to leave and work with the rest. Bentley can come good, he's just trying too hard to impress and struggling to contain his frustration. The referee was calamitous last night I'll admit, some shocking decisions. With us having most of the ball inevitably you suffered on some of his bizarre 'Try' calls, but his one for the knock on by your player was equally hilarious, it was right in front of him. Despite his ineptness, the reaction from several of your players just wasn't good enough. Austin, Sezer, Hardaker and particularly Newman could all have been sent off for their reactions, some of the language you could hear at the game aimed towards the officials was poor. Newman was like a Premier League player, storming across the field to cry about the decisions, then fly out of position on the next set and expose the team. It looks like a team with no leaders to me, there's no one pulling them together and getting them to refocus. We scored directly after a lot of the decisions your players didn't agree with, not because of the decision, but because your players let it get to them.

Re: RD 16 | St Helens (A) : Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:22 pm  

christopher wrote: Found a video It’s probably somewhere between the two https://twitter.com/martinjgabor/status ... 77920?s=21 Tetevanos hit looks worse with every viewing! Lucky it was on a big guy like hurrell anyone smaller it could have caused some serious damage The look on Oledskis face afterwards 'cheers zane, like I'm not carrying you enough!'

christopher wrote: Found a video It’s probably somewhere between the two https://twitter.com/martinjgabor/status ... 77920?s=21 Tetevanos hit looks worse with every viewing! Lucky it was on a big guy like hurrell anyone smaller it could have caused some serious damage The look on Oledskis face afterwards 'cheers zane, like I'm not carrying you enough!'

Re: RD 16 | St Helens (A) : Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:59 pm  

We had effort at times last night but it wasn't enough showed some good glimpses in attack since Rohan Smith has took over. Ultimately our defensive errors and some officiating errors cost us. The officiating from Tom Grant was horrendous all game pretty much he probably gave saints 12-18 they shouldn't have had but the standard of reffing has dropped like most things in SL now days. Tetevano is in the same bracket as failed overseas signings as Joe Vickery, Ben Cross & Beau Falloon maybe even worse. Bentley was stupid getting his sin bin but his effort is always there and I think if we build a better team with him in it I don't this will see half of his Ill discipline antics happen. I still believe Rohan Smith is the right man to get us on course and hopefully we can fully turn a corner soon and get back to competing.