Gareth - surely every employee has the right to be treated equally - whether you are the CEO or a cleaner - hence the comparison to Sinfield - he runs the playing side doesn't he? I am not comparing his abilities to either Ellis or Sinfield nor his importance to the side just his entitilement to the same treatment as those two and Lee Smith.



You seem to think because he is fringe player his rights should reflect that - bizarre way of thinking - his importance should be reflected in the quality of the offer not timescale for acceptance.

With all this talk of employment rights, I think I'm missing something. I tend to work on fixed term contracts. When those contracts end, my employer can either extend it, offer me another on different terms, or just say 'ta ta' to me. On the flip side, I am free to resign at any point, but at the end of my contract I can walk away if I'm fed up, want a change or have a better offer elsewhere.



How the end of that period is handled by the employer will tend to reflect my perceived worth to the organisation.



How different is this situation? Luke Burgess was/is not a permanent employee, after all.

Indeed. I'd be interested to know exactly what employment rights it's though have been infringed.



And I concur completely with Brisbane's last post as well.

I would think the only similarity between your contract and that of Burgess is the fact of two parties? I doubt Burgess could just walk away without a penalty e.g. Eastwood!! you will have a 3 month notice period? - these contract will not have a notice period if things don't work out.



I have no objection to how Burgess has been treated provided the treatment is consistent and that is where you end up with issues. As I said compare the 3 days he was given to make a decision compared to how long Sinfield will have been allowed to make his decision. It could be Sinfield was also given three days but I would suggest that is unlikely.



I assume the contract offer will need legal verification - Sinfield doesn't have an agent he uses a solicitor to review his contracts - this will take time and a good solicitor will need clarity on certain points.



The value to an employer will be recognised in the quality of the contract e.g. Sinfield's contract will have been of a significantly higher value than that offered to Burgess - quite correctly.

People might take you, and the point you're struggling to make, more seriously if you hadn't, predictably, singled out Sinfield as your example.



How do you think the time period for Burgess's new contract compares to the time period for McGuire?



I bet McGuire was given much longer than 3 days? And so he should. Because



1. He's a million times better player than Burgess

2. He'd be much, much harder to replace than Burgess

3. He'd be much more in demand from other clubs than Burgess

4. Unlike Burgess, he probably hadn't made clear his intentions to leave at the end of his contract



It's called negotiation David and, I've got news from you, not all employees are treated the same in any organisation. Do you think the investment bankers at Barclays are dealt with the same as the cleaners when it comes to contract negotiations?

You see, I negotiated rather harder for my current job than I did for the last one. Partly because my last contract was a project that looks proper mint on my CV, so I'm a more attractive (not physically like) prospect now. But also because I knew the competition was far less for this one, so the chances that they could just tell me to stuff it and find someone of the same calibre cheaper were much reduced.

Oh.

I would say my contract has more similarity than 2 parties. As I said, we also share a fixed-term time limit on the contract. I suspect there are differences in what happens if either party decides to terminate the contract before the end. I can terminate it any time without penalty with 3 months written notice. It is, actually, slightly harder for them to do the same (because I'm a fixed term employee rather than a contractor at the moment, otherwise that wouldn't be the case) but (and here you will notice more parallels between the two situations) there can always be negotiation on this. If they terminated it, I'd be asking for a pay-off. If I terminate it, I can probably negotiate an early release if they feel it won't damage business operations too much.



Whether they chose to offer a time limit in which to accept the contract or walk away is entirely up to the employer. When I got to the end of my last contract, I was offered an extension on slightly improved terms (which suited me as it neatly bridged the gap between that contract and my current one) but a colleague employed on the same contract for the same project was 'allowed' to leave. The difference was the perceived value of my contribution. Not blowing my own trumpet - she was just a bit rubbish really. The fact remains that our contract negotiations were not carried out in anything like the same way. Welcome to real life, in the world of fixed-term contracting.

Looks like Luke's en route to the Bunnies...

Grand Final winner to NRL reserve grader, that's a career decline Karl Pratt would have been proud of...

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Good. Closure. Let's move on.

Booooooo

Paul Gallen. Srsly.







OK, probably not. No doubt one of the many high quality props who are available mid-season will come in.

No need for the sarcasm was there really? I just can't see Gary Hetherington releasing them from the payroll, freeing up the cap space and then not using it. He's too shrewd an operator for that.

Even after Burgess voice his anger in the Media? The writing was on the wall after that. The situation is less than ideal but it had to happen. Leeds will no doubt be looking to see who if anyone with quality is available now, if not no worries we'll have to wait until next season to bring in some quality.

singleton,amor,ambler and griffin are/will be the prop replacements

Yes and Neil Harmon too apparently.

The last couple of months of Biff not playing could be good experience for him for what's round the corner. Stealing a wage.............

This whole affair has been handled badly by the club. It's bound to have had an effect on other squad members. Hopefully the parting company today will draw a line under it and the club can move on.

It could also be that one of the two actually leaving the club will have a positive effect on the squad.



May be possible that one of the players getting too big for his boots at the club, and pis5ing other squad members off with his attitude. Just a theory

TBF he didn't say whether the effect would be positive or negative.

I took it to mean that it will be positive.

Was that not what he meant?