Re: Ryan Bailey : Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:33 pm  

Wilkin had a go at Bailey with his after game celebrations in the 2011.I think he had a moan in the previous 3 too

[Jimmythecuckoo]

Re: Ryan Bailey : Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:33 pm  

Dragons fan in peace.

I think the incident was taken a little out of context because of his first half swing. Bailey has a reputation now like it or not.

What is certain though is that it had no bearing on the outcome of the match so well played.

Re: Ryan Bailey : Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:48 pm  

I didn't think the shoulder charge was all that bad, it was a fraction late but I've seen worse. The fact that it was a shoulder charge probably attracted most of the ban.

I didn't much care for the swing to the head in the first half though.

In general, I still struggle to understand people's obsession with the guy's discipline. By reputation, he's a penalty machine adn a liability. Numbers of penalties, cards and games banned usually suggest otherwise.

I'm very happy he irritates people the way he does though. I think he's vastly underrated as a player. Sometimes being underrated is no bad thing.

Re: Ryan Bailey : Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:55 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

My genuine take on this is that all of the players you name are very much toe to toe "tough guy enforcers" as you put it, and I think it's the the toe to toe aspect that gets the respect; it always has in RL.

The general impression amongst supporters is that Bailey's tough guy antics are often reserved for the smallest players on the pitch or are of a less mano-a-mano nature.

I certainly don't buy the "coward" nonsense, he's clearly not that - no RL props are.

That's fair enought but I think it's a mis-judgment. I've said him Mano e mano with plenty of big boys. I saw him put Julian O'Neill (6 foot 7) at Widnes on his bottom in a dust up. I saw him put Luke O'Donnell on his bottom in a dust up. He came off worse with Sculthorpe but the point is, he doesn't shy away, if necessary. On the other hand he shows better self control and discipline when things break down like that than ANY other forward in the entire league. Bar none. Look at last Thursday when Scruton knocked himself out trying to level Bailey. When the ref (needlessly) spoke to Bailey afterwards he was in complete control. Look back at the famous Fasavalou incident and compare the demeanour of Bailey and Graham.

Bailey will never be liked or respected by opposition fans. Fair enough. I don't care, he doesn't care and I doubt his Leeds team mates care. I'm certain Bailey isn't liked by his opponents. Again, fair enough. Our own coach commented last year that he misunderstood Bailey until he worked with him. It's a shame that modern day rugby league players are such wall flowers. I can't recall John Holmes crying about the attention he was paid by Chris Arkwright in quite the same way as Wilkin did

However, my issue is with the unwarranted levels of vitriol and attention Ryan gets. I genuinely believe there is some deep rooted racism, conscious or not, behind it all. "Them boys should be playing on the wing after all". I know Bullseye is right and I shouldn't generalise but I can think of no other way to rationalise the disproportionate reaction to someone who, as Bullseye also points out, has a relatively clean record for a forward playing the game as long as he has.

[Bullseye]

Re: Ryan Bailey : Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:15 pm  

G1 wrote:

However, my issue is with the unwarranted levels of vitriol and attention Ryan gets. I genuinely believe there is some deep rooted racism, conscious or not, behind it all. "Them boys should be playing on the wing after all". I know Bullseye is right and I shouldn't generalise but I can think of no other way to rationalise the disproportionate reaction to someone who, as Bullseye also points out, has a relatively clean record for a forward playing the game as long as he has.

I don't really think it's a colour issue more than that it's a perception that "he gets away with it". I think that's mixed up in a mixture of general anti-Leeds feeling and a lack of appreciation of his genuine ability that you get with feckwits. A player who's main attribute is to rub people up the wrong way and put them off their game is never going to be universally loved particularly when he's in a winning team.

Sonny Nickle was far dirtier than Bailey yet got none of this nonsense, but he won fewer trophies and didn't look as pleased with himself. Same applied to Fleary and Farrell at Leeds.

Re: Ryan Bailey : Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:21 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

Sonny Nickle was far dirtier than Bailey yet got none of this nonsense, but he won fewer trophies and didn't look as pleased with himself. Same applied to Fleary and Farrell at Leeds.

So you're saying they would take your head of and then say "yessir massa, very sorry massa" which made us all like them?

You don't like it when a borther sticks his chest out and has smoothing to say?

[Bullseye]

Re: Ryan Bailey : Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:24 pm  

Re: Ryan Bailey : Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:30 pm  

I am a fan of Ryan Baily, all teams need an enforcer and he is ours. But my main point without being flippant is he adds a bit of spice to the game. Most other teams fans dislike him but they spend enough time waffling on about him,the modern game by and large is quite bland . So the more players like Ryan the better,that's why I miss big Barry Mack never a dull moment when he played. Also Morley when he was younger,even master Tompkins over at Wigan , with some of his antics he gets people's dander up. So when he gets the ball at HQ most if not all the south stand want to see him propelled over the south stand. It all adds a bit of spice and needle to the game.
Hence I enjoyed the Catalan match, with bailey getting his marching orders and the French crowd going nuts it made the victory even more sweet.

Re: Ryan Bailey : Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:06 pm  

ere if that bailey went ter to ter with another forward we would all love it

he doesnt theur

he hits small half backs late or from a blarndsarde

Re: Ryan Bailey : Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:17 pm  

My honest view of Bailey is that he's a good player but it's as if he's a product of the WWF/WWE (or whatever it's called these days) rather than the RL family.
I'm sure he'd have made a great villain for Kent Walton and a legion of ringside grannies to get wound up about but is that something I pay to see on the rugby field ...... well no, I can't say that it is. Barging into people at a melee not looking to hit anyone but instead looking/hoping to get hit - is not my idea of an enforcer. There have been exceptions such as the O'Donnel incident but that's what they are - exceptions. Usually it's just an attempt to goad a response from the opponents.

As for the shoulder charge - not sure it was as Bailey's left arm is wrapped around the back of Bosc. That said it's a little late with a swinging arm and looks as if it's a bad one even if it actually isn't.

Would love to see him forget the distractions and funny business and concentrate on his rugby, could be International class as a modern type loose forward.