Re: Ryan Bailey : Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:21 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

My genuine take on this is that all of the players you name are very much toe to toe "tough guy enforcers" as you put it, and I think it's the the toe to toe aspect that gets the respect; it always has in RL.

The general impression amongst supporters is that Bailey's tough guy antics are often reserved for the smallest players on the pitch or are of a less mano-a-mano nature.

I certainly don't buy the "coward" nonsense, he's clearly not that - no RL props are.

this probably sums it up fairly well but also shows the lack of knowledge by the general fan.

Bailey does often save his 'antics' for the small blokes, however these are the blokes that are often the most important player for the opposition i.e. stand off / scrum half and are normally the guys that will be most effected by them. Any forward worth his salt isn't bothered by a bit of the rough stuff and plenty actually raise to the occasion once baited, despite his supposed softness has anyone ever seen bailey shy away from a fight with a 'big bloke'?
however most 6 & 7's would prefer to stay away from this stuff so these 'antics' have them thinking twice about playing at the line knowing they'll get smashed. So which as a coach/player would you prefer to target?

The example that always springs to mind to show how stupid some fans are is the rachford indecent, which i think i've already brought up on this thread a long time ago. rachford is seem as some kind of hero for punching a defenceless bailey whilst he lay on the ground with a defender still on top of him, yet bailey is seen as a grub of the game because he uses his brain to target players (with mainly legal tactics) that will give his team a better chance of winning.

so to sum up it seems bailey would be better liked if he was less intelligent

Re: Ryan Bailey : Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:37 pm  

Remember a few years ago a gme against Warington and Bailey had a full on collision with Adrian Morley? Moz this time came off worst he was on the ground and Bailey was stood over him like mohamed Ali.The sound of the collision was heard all round Headingley,then when the aftershock set in on Bailey he went missing for a long period he must have been in agony as well as trying to avoid Moz

Re: Ryan Bailey : Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:52 pm  

lionarmour87 wrote:

Remember a few years ago a gme against Warington and Bailey had a full on collision with Adrian Morley? Moz this time came off worst he was on the ground and Bailey was stood over him like mohamed Ali.The sound of the collision was heard all round Headingley,then when the aftershock set in on Bailey he went missing for a long period he must have been in agony as well as trying to avoid Moz

It was probably one of the few times that Moz has legally been put on his backside.
Due to injuries, IIRC, Bailey played the rest of the game at second row and therefore was usually taking the ball up wider.

Re: Ryan Bailey : Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:03 pm  

tvoc wrote:

Rogues is highlighting two players there - Bailey and Hock.

Most of the fans defending Bailey's antics will probably be among the first to criticise Hocks - such is life in the one eyed world of fans.

Hock and Westwood are great forwards, Bailey could be if he concentrated more on the rugby and less on the panto.

Posters will also note that those claiming Bailey makes breaks can only really come up with a single example of him doing so. I can also remember one at Hull KR where he set Watkins away and got knocked out by Briscoe for his trouble - there may have been others but he has played 281 times for Leeds so I guess you'd have to hope so but I don't think making breaks is an aspect he's particularly noted for - if I'm wrong lets have some more examples.

Didn’t Ryan make a spectacular break for the Danny Mags try in the play off against Catalan last year?

Re: Ryan Bailey : Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:19 pm  

Don't forget the one against Catalans

Re: Ryan Bailey : Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:33 pm  

Dwayne Dibley wrote:

Didn’t Ryan make a spectacular break for the Danny Mags try in the play off against Catalan last year?

Yes ,but please look back at TVOC's comment?

Re: Ryan Bailey : Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:01 pm  

Don't particularly mind Bailey's antics in matches. He pushes it sometimes and gets rightly punished when it's needed but most of the time he's an alright rugby player who doesn't use his size nearly enough but does a good enough job to keep his place, probably not high in the salary cap, in a good side.

What I can't forgive is running up to teenage boys who have tears in their eyes at the end of a Grand Final and goading them and rubbing it in that he's won and they haven't. I'll never respect the man, ever, due to that.

Re: Ryan Bailey : Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:51 pm  

that old chestnut. the one that never happened you mean

Re: Ryan Bailey : Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:05 pm  

Caveman wrote:

Don't particularly mind Bailey's antics in matches. He pushes it sometimes and gets rightly punished when it's needed but most of the time he's an alright rugby player who doesn't use his size nearly enough but does a good enough job to keep his place, probably not high in the salary cap, in a good side.

What I can't forgive is running up to teenage boys who have tears in their eyes at the end of a Grand Final and goading them and rubbing it in that he's won and they haven't. I'll never respect the man, ever, due to that.

Well you know Young master Graham has done it to us a couple of times after St helens scored once in a CC SEMI and another time when it backfired in a GF.At least Bailey waits till the end before he does it

Re: Ryan Bailey : Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:11 pm  

Caveman wrote:

Don't particularly mind Bailey's antics in matches. He pushes it sometimes and gets rightly punished when it's needed but most of the time he's an alright rugby player who doesn't use his size nearly enough but does a good enough job to keep his place, probably not high in the salary cap, in a good side.

What I can't forgive is running up to teenage boys who have tears in their eyes at the end of a Grand Final and goading them and rubbing it in that he's won and they haven't. I'll never respect the man, ever, due to that.

Figment of your imagination