Re: RD 1 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:34 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Yes it was - if he had been supported the players would have towed the line and things would have improved. Whilst ever players see a chink in the coaches position they are going to drive a wedge straight in its a deflection technique. The players know its easier to sack one person than half a squad. Sinfield knew the squad was weak, he tried to offload half them - Furner was/is a better coach than Agar so he would have got sufficient wins to keep Leeds up. Ask Alex Ferguson who was boss and what happened to dissenting players - if you allow the players to rule the roost you will never have any continuity or progress - as we have seen.

Weather Furner is a better than Agar none of us really know that unless we are privy to coaching sessions. Also we'll never know if Furner would had have kept us up.

Re: RD 1 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:45 pm  

What are we basing Furner is a better coach than Agar on?

Furner has been sacked from both his first team head coaching jobs, not a great record that is it.

Re: RD 1 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:36 pm  

Any way if we lose against Giants wether its premature or not we'll be back on the relegation subject again

Re: RD 1 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:41 pm  

reminds me of leeds united pre Wilkinson. needed someone from the outside who was strong enough to come in and shake things up and upset people.
at the moment it's all nicely nicely. all mates. jjb needs a job? assistant coach? yeah ok.
give me a break. its pathetic

Re: RD 1 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:50 pm  

christopher wrote:

What are we basing Furner is a better coach than Agar on?

Furner has been sacked from both his first team head coaching jobs, not a great record that is it.

Look at the level Furner was coaching at - significantly different to Agar - neither had great records but to suggest Agar delivered something Furner couldn't doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Re: RD 1 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:53 pm  

fanstanningley wrote:

Weather Furner is a better than Agar none of us really know that unless we are privy to coaching sessions. Also we'll never know if Furner would had have kept us up.

No and Furner didn't have the squad strengthening that Agar had i.e. Ava, Martin, Lui either so as I said it is very likely given all known facts that Furner could have delivered what Agar did.

Re: RD 1 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:05 pm  

Who signed the players pre season 2018-19? Furner or Sinfield? Agar was a yes man under Kath Hetherington at Hull and that was a disaster ( didn’t help that Kath made the signings,not the head coach).As for Rob Lui,I thought he looked way overweight? 10 mins in and he was totally shattered,so perhaps Agar should be looking at that?

Re: RD 1 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:13 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

reminds me of leeds united pre Wilkinson. needed someone from the outside who was strong enough to come in and shake things up and upset people.
at the moment it's all nicely nicely. all mates. jjb needs a job? assistant coach? yeah ok.
give me a break. its pathetic

Shake things up? How many players have left in the last 18 months?

Anyway I see JJB is early candidate for hate figure of the year on here.

Re: RD 1 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:15 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Look at the level Furner was coaching at - significantly different to Agar - neither had great records but to suggest Agar delivered something Furner couldn't doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Agar did deliver something Furner didn’t, team spirit.

Re: RD 1 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:21 pm  

christopher wrote:

Agar did deliver something Furner didn’t, team spirit.

Of course he did!! He was backed by the management the players had their wings clipped - no way they were going to remove Agar.