: Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:56 pm  

thebloodbath wrote:

This result made me chuckle. In all the Sunday rags it was full of Wigan's threat and their promise to deliver this season. First game in and they come out with a poor result. Only managing one try is worrying.

Remind me again how poor Leeds looked in the second forty on Friday against what was to all intents and purposes an NL1 side? Are you writing Leeds off for the year on the basis of that performance?

: Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:03 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Remind me again how poor Leeds looked in the second forty on Friday against what was to all intents and purposes an NL1 side? Are you writing Leeds off for the year on the basis of that performance?

That would be silly. The example you have given is ludicrous. Leeds got the job done and won the game. It wasn't polished or classy but we got the win, we got the 2 points which was what mattered. Whereas Wigan didn't and looked poor throughout. I read a flurry of Wigan bumf and they didn't deliver. Fact. I'm not writing Wigan off, we are only one game in, but boy it made my chuckle. The simple point is, any question marks that were looming over Wigan are still there, they haven't shown a signal of intent or put down any firm markers. Leeds don't have these question marks.

: Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:08 pm  

miscreant wrote: Mathers was truly awful - that trip was closest he came to an attacking player all afternoon. He talks a good game, I'll give him that. Webb for Mathers = a true master-stroke of recruitment. He's got the fans backing it seems: http://forums.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?t=392735

miscreant wrote: Mathers was truly awful - that trip was closest he came to an attacking player all afternoon. He talks a good game, I'll give him that. Webb for Mathers = a true master-stroke of recruitment. He's got the fans backing it seems: http://forums.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?t=392735

: Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:19 pm  

thebloodbath wrote:

I read a flurry of Wigan bumf and they didn't deliver. Fact.

How do you judge whether a team has "delivered" one game into a season? They played poorly and lost. Leeds played poorly but were fortunate enough to be against opposition so badly prepared they were unable to take advantage. If either side continues that level of performance much further into the season they'll struggle to deliver on their pre-season promises.

: Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:26 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

How do you judge whether a team has "delivered" one game into a season? They played poorly and lost. Leeds played poorly but were fortunate enough to be against opposition so badly prepared they were unable to take advantage. If either side continues that level of performance much further into the season they'll struggle to deliver on their pre-season promises.

Quite easily. See who won. We can get into the pragmatics of better ways to win or lose, but ulimately winning the games are all that counts. Those who win deliver. Results are judged upon, and rightly so. Do you think Wigan will feel like they've delivered against Wakie? A quick persual on their message board answers that one.

: Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:48 pm  

thebloodbath wrote:

Quite easily. See who won. We can get into the pragmatics of better ways to win or lose, but ulimately winning the games are all that counts. Those who win deliver. Results are judged upon, and rightly so. Do you think Wigan will feel like they've delivered against Wakie? A quick persual on their message board answers that one.

I somehow doubt the press coverage you mentioned will have focussed on Wigan's ability to deliver in their opening match against Wakefield in isolation, in much the same way that losing their opening game doesn't condemn the Crusaders to being failures.

Judge whether Wigan have "delivered" and lived up to the perceived hype at the end of the season - I suspect they will.

: Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:53 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Judge whether Wigan have "delivered" and lived up to the perceived hype at the end of the season - I suspect they will.

Sounds like a bet on the cards. Fancy it?

: Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:54 pm  

thebloodbath wrote:

Sounds like a bet on the cards. Fancy it?

How do you judge 'delivered'?

: Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:57 pm  

Forumjacker wrote:

How do you judge 'delivered'?

Answered previously.

: Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:59 pm  

thebloodbath wrote:

Answered previously.

Not correct.

Different clubs have different criteria for having delivered.