: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:19 pm  

King Whino wrote:

ah, so the game is played in neat little segments where all the variables are equal to make statistical analysis neat and tidy

ok then,

8 sets

As per your own analysis: Since when does the thick end of 53 tackles equate to eight complete sets? Even then not every set will include a sixth tackle as the ten handling errors committed by Leeds during this game will usually prevent a kick being reached.

King Whino wrote:

let me have those % and I'll rate Bailey via your theory

Who were the props V Harlequins?

Starting:
Leuluai - 7 hit ups in 24 minutes (one every 3.4 mins)
Peacock - 21 hit ups in 50 minutes (one every 2.4 mins)

Bench:
Bailey - 4 hit ups in 20 minutes (one every 5 mins)
Lauitiiti - 14 in 42 minutes (one every 3 mins)

Or does Bailey have a different role to the other designated props with ball in hand?

: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:27 pm  

You don't need stats to realise Bailey is a lazy prop, I'm amazed some of you still can't see it.

(Cue "racist" )

: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:33 pm  

tvoc wrote:

statty stuff and a question

Or does Bailey have a different role to the other designated props with ball in hand?

you see, i indulged you and again, in the manner of a rugby league politician, you avoided the question and answered a different one

you could have played along with 8 sets, for fun, but now you want that to be 11 sets 3 tackles, 4 handling errors etc. etc.

make your mind up

anyway, you again seem to have forgotten that bailey was smashed to bits so wasnt actually available for 20 minutes - which renders your comparison a bit useless

but, you asked if he has a different role to other props with ball in hand

well, actually, i thought when he came on he was different to all the other forwards in that on 2 of his drives he achieved a quick play the ball, and leeds had much more momentum in those sets, made more ground and were more of an attacking threat

a quick ptb is very much one of his strengths, coached into him by tony smith

then he got smashed and went off and i think that was a huge loss to the team in more ways than just a body down

with that answer, i bid you goodbye as its hometime

: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:56 pm  

tvoc wrote:

it's the same for everyone out there when looking at the overall figures. .

No its' not. not unless all the props are onthe field for the same 20 mins as Bailey its' not. As has been explained the circumstances of each period can differ vastly so while prop A is on the fieldwe may have little or no posession and be chasing the game through the threequaters, yet when he's replaced by prop B we may enjoy lots' of possessionand be playing through the forwards.

Maths is great but is a very flawed method of measuring a players ability and or contribution.

That said I would still like to see Baileyand Kylie up ther work rate.

Re: Stats V Harlequins : Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:10 pm  

tvoc wrote:

Forwards: Metres made

Leuluai - 40
Diskin - 25
Kirke - 80
Sinfield - 65
Ablett - 53
Bailey - 47

wow i knew you guys were struggling but i didnt realise that you were this poor in the forwards making metres

: Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:27 pm  

i think we are suffering a bit under this 2 hooker thing!! i would play one hooker(buderus) and four forwards on the bench: ali, kirke, burgess and bailey.

also gibson or lee smith in the centre. im all for giving watkins a chance but lets get the machine running smoothe before we put too much on the lad.

Re: Stats V Harlequins : Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:03 am  

tvoc wrote: Forwards: Metres, Tackles, (missed tackles), tackle effectiveness: Leuluai - 40, 20 (2), 91% Diskin - 25, 23 (2), 92% Peacock - 152, 40 (1) 98% Jones-Buchanan - 81, 40 (2), 95% Kirke - 80, 40 (3), 93% Sinfield - 65, 51 (2), 96% Buderus - 138, 34 (2), 94% Ablett - 53, 27 (3), 90% Lauitiiti - 123, 12 (3), 80% Bailey - 47, 14 (2), 88% Peacock outstanding, while Leuluai and Bailey are giving cause for concern? Something that most of you haven't noticed (or chosen not to notice) is the tackle rate of Lauitiiti, 80% effectiveness, and only made 12 tackles makes him far less affective than Bailey in defense and he was on for twice as long as Bailey and Leuluai (42 mins according to http://www.skysports.com/rugbyleague/match_facts/0,19935,11070_3086318,00.html) yet I don't remember anyone mentioning he's lazy? Aren't stats great when you pick out the bits that suit your agenda

tvoc wrote: Forwards: Metres, Tackles, (missed tackles), tackle effectiveness: Leuluai - 40, 20 (2), 91% Diskin - 25, 23 (2), 92% Peacock - 152, 40 (1) 98% Jones-Buchanan - 81, 40 (2), 95% Kirke - 80, 40 (3), 93% Sinfield - 65, 51 (2), 96% Buderus - 138, 34 (2), 94% Ablett - 53, 27 (3), 90% Lauitiiti - 123, 12 (3), 80% Bailey - 47, 14 (2), 88% Peacock outstanding, while Leuluai and Bailey are giving cause for concern? Something that most of you haven't noticed (or chosen not to notice) is the tackle rate of Lauitiiti, 80% effectiveness, and only made 12 tackles makes him far less affective than Bailey in defense and he was on for twice as long as Bailey and Leuluai (42 mins according to http://www.skysports.com/rugbyleague/match_facts/0,19935,11070_3086318,00.html) yet I don't remember anyone mentioning he's lazy? Aren't stats great when you pick out the bits that suit your agenda

Re: Stats V Harlequins : Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:10 am  

Acorn Torn wrote: Something that most of you haven't noticed (or chosen not to notice) is the tackle rate of Lauitiiti, 80% effectiveness, and only made 12 tackles makes him far less affective than Bailey in defense and he was on for twice as long as Bailey and Leuluai (42 mins according to http://www.skysports.com/rugbyleague/match_facts/0,19935,11070_3086318,00.html) yet I don't remember anyone mentioning he's lazy? Aren't stats great when you pick out the bits that suit your agenda Because he made 3x more meters than Bailey, which more than outweighs 2 less tackles and 1 more miss IMO

Acorn Torn wrote: Something that most of you haven't noticed (or chosen not to notice) is the tackle rate of Lauitiiti, 80% effectiveness, and only made 12 tackles makes him far less affective than Bailey in defense and he was on for twice as long as Bailey and Leuluai (42 mins according to http://www.skysports.com/rugbyleague/match_facts/0,19935,11070_3086318,00.html) yet I don't remember anyone mentioning he's lazy? Aren't stats great when you pick out the bits that suit your agenda Because he made 3x more meters than Bailey, which more than outweighs 2 less tackles and 1 more miss IMO

Re: Stats V Harlequins : Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:11 am  

Acorn Torn wrote: Something that most of you haven't noticed (or chosen not to notice) is the tackle rate of Lauitiiti, 80% effectiveness, and only made 12 tackles makes him far less affective than Bailey in defense and he was on for twice as long as Bailey and Leuluai (42 mins according to http://www.skysports.com/rugbyleague/match_facts/0,19935,11070_3086318,00.html) yet I don't remember anyone mentioning he's lazy? Aren't stats great when you pick out the bits that suit your agenda Nobody mentioned our top tackler is also our most creative player either. I guess that could be another notch as to why we are doing so poor as an attacking threat. Maybe the oppossition our running at Sinfield to tire out his attacking threat.

Acorn Torn wrote: Something that most of you haven't noticed (or chosen not to notice) is the tackle rate of Lauitiiti, 80% effectiveness, and only made 12 tackles makes him far less affective than Bailey in defense and he was on for twice as long as Bailey and Leuluai (42 mins according to http://www.skysports.com/rugbyleague/match_facts/0,19935,11070_3086318,00.html) yet I don't remember anyone mentioning he's lazy? Aren't stats great when you pick out the bits that suit your agenda Nobody mentioned our top tackler is also our most creative player either. I guess that could be another notch as to why we are doing so poor as an attacking threat. Maybe the oppossition our running at Sinfield to tire out his attacking threat.

Re: Stats V Harlequins : Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:11 am  

Acorn Torn wrote: Something that most of you haven't noticed (or chosen not to notice) is the tackle rate of Lauitiiti, 80% effectiveness, and only made 12 tackles makes him far less affective than Bailey in defense and he was on for twice as long as Bailey and Leuluai (42 mins according to http://www.skysports.com/rugbyleague/match_facts/0,19935,11070_3086318,00.html) yet I don't remember anyone mentioning he's lazy? Aren't stats great when you pick out the bits that suit your agenda Agree there has been a lot of selective reading on this thread!! The stats look to show players are not pulling there weight, but when you average out the game time they were all as bad as each other besides Buderus and Peacock.

Acorn Torn wrote: Something that most of you haven't noticed (or chosen not to notice) is the tackle rate of Lauitiiti, 80% effectiveness, and only made 12 tackles makes him far less affective than Bailey in defense and he was on for twice as long as Bailey and Leuluai (42 mins according to http://www.skysports.com/rugbyleague/match_facts/0,19935,11070_3086318,00.html) yet I don't remember anyone mentioning he's lazy? Aren't stats great when you pick out the bits that suit your agenda Agree there has been a lot of selective reading on this thread!! The stats look to show players are not pulling there weight, but when you average out the game time they were all as bad as each other besides Buderus and Peacock.