: Fri May 01, 2009 9:25 am  

tvoc wrote:

Both...... dimwit.

Now thats an insult!

: Fri May 01, 2009 9:27 am  

G1 wrote:

Wow. I was being very tongue in cheek but McNamara really does have a better record than Bluey when it comes to beating Saints.

There's something for everyone if they care to look hard enough.

Tony Ferrino wrote:

Now thats an insult!

The best I have in my armoury. Both barrels.

: Fri May 01, 2009 9:30 am  

G1 wrote:

Are you happy with the direction Mclennan has our attack going?

Even a moron like L4L has correctly observed that the team with the highest dependency on dummy half running, Saints, have adapted successfully to a slower ruck and haven't skipped a beat.

Could it be that Potter is simply a better coach than McLennan? Imagine what Potter might've done last year with the championship side built by Tony Smith eh........

I actually agree with you.

All Hetherington has highlighted is that from an attacking skills level, either we don't have the players as good as the likes of Huddersfield, Wakey, Cas, or we don't have a coach able to use tactics as good as those coaches.

I say that since all teams are using the same defensive tactics, yet we have scored less points than the rest of the top 8, and less than Catalans and Warrington outstide it.

: Fri May 01, 2009 9:36 am  

Tony Soprano wrote:

I'm never going to question the TVOC but thats a good record and I can't remember one bit the other 2 wins they had against saints.

16-Jun-06..... SL 11-17..... Steve McNamara... Bradford 20 - 18 St Helens... Daniel Anderson
02-Mar-07..... SL 12-04..... Daniel Anderson... St Helens 34 - 22 Bradford... Steve McNamara
13-Jul-07..... SL 12-20..... Steve McNamara... Bradford 10 - 4 St Helens... Daniel Anderson
22-Feb-08..... SL 13-03..... Steve McNamara... Bradford 16 - 22 St Helens... Daniel Anderson
13-Jun-08..... SL 13-17..... Daniel Anderson... St Helens 58 - 20 Bradford... Steve McNamara
24-Apr-09..... SL 14-11..... Mick Potter... St Helens 30 - 34 Bradford... Steve McNamara

: Fri May 01, 2009 9:39 am  

tvoc wrote:

Just for fun, in the SL regular rounds as they haven't faced off in the play offs yet.

Brian McClennan 2 - 1 Mick Potter

Brian McClennan 4 - 1 McNamara

Steve McNamara 6 - 2 Mick Potter

I'm confused. What do the numbers represent? Wins head to head?

: Fri May 01, 2009 9:44 am  

leicester_rhino wrote:

I'm confused. What do the numbers represent? Wins head to head?

Just that.

It's the coaches record in head to head (just to satisfy G1's curiosity) meetings, so it incorporates Potter's stints at both Les Catalans and St Helens.

: Fri May 01, 2009 9:45 am  

tvoc wrote:

Just that.

It's the coaches record in head to head (just to satisfy G1's curiosity) meetings, so it incorporates Potter's stints at both Les Catalans and St Helens.

Ah, I'd forgotten about Catalans, which explains my confusion

: Fri May 01, 2009 9:54 am  

G1 wrote:

Are you happy with the direction Mclennan has our attack going?

Even a moron like L4L has correctly observed that the team with the highest dependency on dummy half running, Saints, have adapted successfully to a slower ruck and haven't skipped a beat.

Could it be that Potter is simply a better coach than McLennan? Imagine what Potter might've done last year with the championship side built by Tony Smith eh........

At the moment no - but the same could be said of Smith at certain times in his tenure - would you not agree - also Smith was never in a position where he lacked a natural right centre which even you must agree is a pretty crucial attacking position - you only have to look at Saints to see the importance of a quality right centre.

Saints have strengthened their squad unlike Leeds - who have weakened their squad. So given that they have finished top of the table for the last four years and have a stronger squad than last year you would not expect anything other than what has happened would you? - is Potter a better coach than McClennan possibly only time will tell. Is Potter a better coach than Tony Smith?

As I have said before which you consistently ignore McClennan's record in 2008 with the same team as Smith but with significantly more injuries outperformed Smith's record in every category - you can read into that what you will.

I will put on record now I think Leeds will make the GF if you don't think that will be case then some charity should benefit to the tune of £100 depending on the outcome.

: Fri May 01, 2009 9:58 am  

Eccleshill Rhino wrote:

At the moment no - but the same could be said of Smith at certain times in his tenure - would you not agree - also Smith was never in a position where he lacked a natural right centre which even you must agree is a pretty crucial attacking position - you have to look at Saints.

Saints have strengthened their squad unlike Leeds - who have weakened their squad. So given that they have finished top of the table for the last four years and have a stronger squad than last year you would not expect anything other than what has happened would you? - is Potter a better coach than McClennan possibly only time will tell. Is Potter a better coach than Tony Smith?

As I have said before which you consistently ignore McClennan's record in 2008 with the same team as Smith but with significantly more injuries outperformed Smith's record in every category - you can read into that what you will.

I will put on record now I think Leeds will make the GF if you don't think that will be case then some charity should benefit to the tune of £100 depending on the outcome.

How have Saints strengthened? Who have they signed? They have signed a similar number of players to us. That's excuse making for your idol right there it is.

I won't take your bet because I too believe that we will make the GF. I think the players are good enough to mask the coaches limitations and come playoff time Bluey's rah rah style will be effective and lift the players.

I am not the one indulging in knee jerk panics round here after a couple of April defeats.

I have, however, been the one to consistently give a fair and balanced critique of not only players but coaches alike. Coz I am well ace.

: Fri May 01, 2009 9:59 am  

Tony Ferrino wrote:

How should i take that, compliment or insult?

You know I love you.

I missed playing with you when you threw your teddies out of the pram. I am glad you're back.