Re: CC QF | Leeds Rhinos v Featherstone Rovers : Mon May 15, 2017 10:02 am  

It’s about time we had a steady draw and route (hopefully) to Wembley. In 27 games between 2010 and 2016 we’ve played 3 times vs non-SL opposition,
2010 v Blackpool, reached final and lost to Wire,
2012 v Leigh, reached final and lost to Wire,
2014 v Leigh, reached final and beat Cas,

2011 all SL opposition, reached final and lost,
2013 all SL oppo,
2015 all SL oppo, reached final and won,
2016 SL oppo,

2017 CC has been quite refreshing so far.

Re: CC QF | Leeds Rhinos v Featherstone Rovers : Mon May 15, 2017 10:39 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Are we talking about now the current side or are we talking about last year's side?

It's virtually the same side.

Sal Paradise wrote:

Leeds have been the most successful side of the SL era what relevance does that have to what is happening now?

Leeds won the CC in 2014/15 did that make them a good cup side in 2016?

So we reached 5 of the previous 6 finals and one early round loss and we aren't a good cup side anymore?

I'd suggest having a good recent history of progressing in the cup is the best evidence of a side being a cup side. Hull have reached 2 of the last 4 finals. On what basis have you decided they aren't a good cup side but are a good GF team?

Re: CC QF | Leeds Rhinos v Featherstone Rovers : Mon May 15, 2017 11:50 am  

PrinterThe wrote:

It's virtually the same side.

So we reached 5 of the previous 6 finals and one early round loss and we aren't a good cup side anymore?

I'd suggest having a good recent history of progressing in the cup is the best evidence of a side being a cup side. Hull have reached 2 of the last 4 finals. On what basis have you decided they aren't a good cup side but are a good GF team?

To me Hull look like a tough no nonsense grind it out type of side e.g. Wigan which I would suggest makes them more suited to a longer campaign IMO. Cas on the other hand have the ability to blow anyone away on their day but maybe not the consistency to grind out a whole season. If Cas go behind they know they have the potential to do something spectacular to change things I am not sure Hull have that in their locker.

Leeds have reached two of the last 4 CC finals does that make them a good cup side? in 2013 and 2016 they went out at the first hurdle so what does that say - if they get passed the first game they reach the final? hopefully.

Re: CC QF | Leeds Rhinos v Featherstone Rovers : Mon May 15, 2017 12:32 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

To me Hull look like a tough no nonsense grind it out type of side e.g. Wigan which I would suggest makes them more suited to a longer campaign IMO. Cas on the other hand have the ability to blow anyone away on their day but maybe not the consistency to grind out a whole season. If Cas go behind they know they have the potential to do something spectacular to change things I am not sure Hull have that in their locker.

Leeds have reached two of the last 4 CC finals does that make them a good cup side? in 2013 and 2016 they went out at the first hurdle so what does that say - if they get passed the first game they reach the final? hopefully.

one week ago

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Re: CC QF | Leeds Rhinos v Featherstone Rovers : Mon May 15, 2017 1:06 pm  

Oh look, Sal's trying to put a negative spin on things again... and making himself look a bit daft, again.

Re: CC QF | Leeds Rhinos v Featherstone Rovers : Mon May 15, 2017 3:17 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

To me Hull look like a tough no nonsense grind it out type of side e.g. Wigan which I would suggest makes them more suited to a longer campaign IMO. Cas on the other hand have the ability to blow anyone away on their day but maybe not the consistency to grind out a whole season.

Your description of Hull is fairly accurate, but how is that not suited to a cup campaign? Ain't about how you win, you just need to win. Cas could've beaten Saints by a single point, they'd have still been through and playing Hull away the next round. Hull ground out your wins vs Wigan and Wire to win the cup last year, didn't have to put 50 points past them. You even point out that that Cas might not have the consistancy to do it all year, in the cup you don't get a 2nd chance.

Sal Paradise wrote:

If Cas go behind they know they have the potential to do something spectacular to change things I am not sure Hull have that in their locker.

Any examples of this though? At home they've always been in front. Away from home they couldn't come back vs Salford or Saints. Away to Hull (who they face in the cup) they were 18-0 down but then had a man advantage for 60 mins and they didn't come back and win......so maybe we don't know they can do something spectacular if they fall behind.

Re: CC QF | Leeds Rhinos v Featherstone Rovers : Mon May 15, 2017 3:42 pm  

Our game is on Friday on Sky.

Salford vs Wakey is the Thursday game. We're scheduled to play Wakey away the Sunday before so expect them to want to move that game forward 24/48 hours.

Wire/Wigan - Saturday. Hull/Cas - Sunday.

Re: CC QF | Leeds Rhinos v Featherstone Rovers : Mon May 15, 2017 5:30 pm  

PrinterThe wrote:

Your description of Hull is fairly accurate, but how is that not suited to a cup campaign? Ain't about how you win, you just need to win. Cas could've beaten Saints by a single point, they'd have still been through and playing Hull away the next round. Hull ground out your wins vs Wigan and Wire to win the cup last year, didn't have to put 50 points past them. You even point out that that Cas might not have the consistancy to do it all year, in the cup you don't get a 2nd chance.

Any examples of this though? At home they've always been in front. Away from home they couldn't come back vs Salford or Saints. Away to Hull (who they face in the cup) they were 18-0 down but then had a man advantage for 60 mins and they didn't come back and win......so maybe we don't know they can do something spectacular if they fall behind.

In the cup you need to be rise to a different level - Leeds did it against Wigan at Huddersfield, Warrington in 2015 and Saints 2016 I just don't see Hull being that kind of side. I don't Hull having a mare like Leeds did in several finals either. I see Cas being that kind of side that if they are really on it no current SL can play at their level. Can they come from behind who knows and you could be correct their style of play isn't suited to risk free grind.

Re: CC QF | Leeds Rhinos v Featherstone Rovers : Mon May 15, 2017 5:31 pm  

loiner81 wrote:

Oh look, Sal's trying to put a negative spin on things again... and making himself look a bit daft, again.

The asylum has let another inmate out!!

Re: CC QF | Leeds Rhinos v Featherstone Rovers : Mon May 15, 2017 5:37 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

The asylum has let another inmate out!!

I thought this was the asylum!!