Re: Sam Walters : Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:41 am  

christopher wrote:

We’ve benefited this year with Macdonnell when another big club with good youth set up simply can’t keep them all (as have warrington with Nicholson)

That is a fair point - If you look at the Wigan pack there are lot of home grown players especially in the 14-20 numbers

Re: Sam Walters : Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:47 am  

IIRC Leeds have a pay scale ie age and international player so GH wont be offering big money but it should be a decent offer.If the rumours about Saints are true then i would think they would have to at least match the hopefully Leeds offer.I can see a lower club offering large contract.
I think Walters should have played more when you look at the first 6 performances Lisone put in and of late Sangare has been ordinary.

Re: Sam Walters : Wed Apr 26, 2023 10:46 am  

fanstanningley wrote:

IIRC Leeds have a pay scale ie age and international player so GH wont be offering big money but it should be a decent offer.If the rumours about Saints are true then i would think they would have to at least match the hopefully Leeds offer.I can see a lower club offering large contract.
I think Walters should have played more when you look at the first 6 performances Lisone put in and of late Sangare has been ordinary.

May have deserved to play more, but may not. A lot depends on training, and how the player conducts themselves. I’d trust Smith to make these calls…..

Re: Sam Walters : Wed Apr 26, 2023 11:11 am  

Shabino wrote:

May have deserved to play more, but may not. A lot depends on training, and how the player conducts themselves. I’d trust Smith to make these calls…..

Smith only said a few weeks ago Walters was training the house down.

Re: Sam Walters : Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:24 pm  

fanstanningley wrote:

Smith only said a few weeks ago Walters was training the house down.

That’s positive, the next thing is who’s ahead of him then, and who does Smith think can do a better job in his position….?

Re: Sam Walters : Wed Apr 26, 2023 6:06 pm  

Maybe he sees a better pathway to first team football at Saints.
Or maybe he wants to be closer to home.
Or maybe he wants to win things regularly.
Could be a number of things.

But if the Saints rumours are true, then you can't really blame him.
Bizarrely, he'll probably get more game time there.

Re: Sam Walters : Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:25 pm  

fanstanningley wrote:

IIRC Leeds have a pay scale ie age and international player so GH wont be offering big money but it should be a decent offer.If the rumours about Saints are true then i would think they would have to at least match the hopefully Leeds offer.I can see a lower club offering large contract.
I think Walters should have played more when you look at the first 6 performances Lisone put in and of late Sangare has been ordinary.

Was a hard one with Lisone tbf because he clearly needed to play himself into some form and fitness and he wouldn’t have got that in the reserves .

Walters is obviously behind Holroyd, Mik, Tet, Sangare and Lisone. He’s rightly leapfrogged Donno and you perhaps can take Tet out of that list given he seems to be moving towards back row, and the fact he’s going home. I think it’s a bit strong to say that his route to the first team is blocked.

I get people saying that maybe he deserves the same chance to develop as sangare is being given, but I would hazard a guess that Smith sees their roles as different. Sangare and Lisone are very clearly impact props, where as I’d say Walters is probably being moulded more into the role of the other 3.

Also worth taking into account he may want to be closer to home.

Re: Sam Walters : Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:33 pm  

Barrie’s Glass Eye wrote:

Was a hard one with Lisone tbf because he clearly needed to play himself into some form and fitness and he wouldn’t have got that in the reserves .

Walters is obviously behind Holroyd, Mik, Tet, Sangare and Lisone. He’s rightly leapfrogged Donno and you perhaps can take Tet out of that list given he seems to be moving towards back row, and the fact he’s going home. I think it’s a bit strong to say that his route to the first team is blocked.

I get people saying that maybe he deserves the same chance to develop as sangare is being given, but I would hazard a guess that Smith sees their roles as different. Sangare and Lisone are very clearly impact props, where as I’d say Walters is probably being moulded more into the role of the other 3.

Also worth taking into account he may want to be closer to home.

Is Tet going home?

Re: Sam Walters : Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:22 am  

Shabino wrote:

May have deserved to play more, but may not. A lot depends on training, and how the player conducts themselves. I’d trust Smith to make these calls…..

If the team were performing anywhere near their potential I would agree - but they were awful at Leigh, terrible at Cas, appalling against Hull, grim at Hull KR!!

Re: Sam Walters : Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:56 am  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

If the team were performing anywhere near their potential I would agree - but they were awful at Leigh, terrible at Cas, appalling against Hull, grim at Hull KR!!

This is true and I understand the need to keep a winning team that`s playing well.
But like you have said we have been awful for large parts this year and fringe players maybe should have been given more chance to impress.
Smith of course has to balance that notion with getting others such as Lisone fit.
But Walters didn`t let anyone down when he did play so not sure what the answer or problem is with Walters.