Re: 2019 | Squad : Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:11 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

He was nowhere near as effective in his second season as he had been in his first - maybe through injury - the fact is he looked pretty average in 2018

how the pack was fairing in the respective seasons will have had no small bearing on that.

Re: 2019 | Squad : Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:04 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I suggest you listen to last week's full 80 - Craig Harrison quite clearly outlined what happen to Jack Walker - I am not saying I have any further info other than that - I might be old but my hearing is still pretty good.

Yes, in a nutshell Craig Harrison basically said, "He was asked to do an extension at the time, in the last year of his contract, offer was part time, turned it down but wanted to stay at Leeds, got other offers, eventually got the deal at Leeds"

He then slightly changes it to "There was an offer, cant discuss it, but it wasnt neither here nor there"

Re: 2019 | Squad : Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:28 pm  

flipper wrote:

how the pack was fairing in the respective seasons will have had no small bearing on that.

Not sure about that but it could be a factor - I think other teams have worked him out, that plus injuries maybe

Re: 2019 | Squad : Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:07 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Not sure about that but it could be a factor - I think other teams have worked him out, that plus injuries maybe

A lot of parcels game is based around his pace from quick play of the balls and capitalising on gaps. There was precious little of that from our pack last season.

Re: 2019 | Squad : Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:33 pm  

Fallon wrote:

A lot of parcels game is based around his pace from quick play of the balls and capitalising on gaps. There was precious little of that from our pack last season.

So in other words he has been worked and other clubs have negated his ability by better organisation around the PTB. Unfortunately Parcell limited skill set was exposed - which in part explains why he is playing in SL and not in the NRL

Re: 2019 | Squad : Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:40 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

So in other words he has been worked and other clubs have negated his ability by better organisation around the PTB. Unfortunately Parcell limited skill set was exposed - which in part explains why he is playing in SL and not in the NRL

No. He doesn’t have a limited skill set at all and he played many games last season at a high standard.

There’s isn’t, nor will there ever be, a dummy half whose games isn’t effected by a set of poor forwards.

Re: 2019 | Squad : Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:56 pm  

Les Norton wrote:

No. He doesn’t have a limited skill set at all and he played many games last season at a high standard.

There’s isn’t, nor will there ever be, a dummy half whose games isn’t effected by a set of poor forwards.

So you are saying any hooker can play behind a dominant set of forwards - so how do decide which are the better players - why is Roby so well regarded you can hardly Saints have or ever have had a dominant pack

Re: 2019 | Squad : Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:15 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

So you are saying any hooker can play behind a dominant set of forwards - so how do decide which are the better players - why is Roby so well regarded you can hardly Saints have or ever have had a dominant pack

Sal, our pack was appalling last year. Parcell still had some great games. He wasn’t poor like some are making out, the team, overall was.

If he goes, whoever comes in will not be of equal or superior standard, that’s my concern.

Re: 2019 | Squad : Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:16 pm  

Les Norton wrote:

No. He doesn’t have a limited skill set at all and he played many games last season at a high standard.

There’s isn’t, nor will there ever be, a dummy half whose games isn’t effected by a set of poor forwards.

Re: 2019 | Squad : Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:29 pm  

We conceded a ton of yardage defending the ruck. One of the (many) reasons our pack struggled going forward was having to start sets so close to our line. I'd be looking to sort this too.