: Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:57 am  

Eccleshill Rhino wrote:

Danny - come on - nobody is allowed to question you pontifications - they either accept them or if they don't you give them a shed full of abuse often twisting the topic to dig the knife in further - prime example above -you cannot have it both ways.

Where is this abuse you speak of?

If you can link to it then I can address the problem. Its about rehabilitation.

If you cannot link to abuse then it's best you stop going on about it. The above is NOT an example of abuse.

: Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:58 am  

Eccleshill Rhino wrote:

What you need is the players - we simply do not have the players - one of the things we had was pace that is no longer the case -

We do have a drastic lack of speed in the team. When the Saints back line with two second rows and Wellens playing in it can make us look pedestrian (Gidley was never ever known for pace either), we are in trouble. Backs (bar Webb) and pack (bar JJB) look slow (Donald must think he's offended someone) to be banished to the right), but it is easier to look speedier if you are going forward, and we are not doing that as well as we could either.

: Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:02 am  

Dave Heron's Moustache wrote:

We do have a drastic lack of speed in the team. When the Saints back line with two second rows and Wellens playing in it can make us look pedestrian (Gidley was never ever known for pace either), we are in trouble. Backs (bar Webb) and pack (bar JJB) look slow (Donald must think he's offended someone) to be banished to the right), but it is easier to look speedier if you are going forward, and we are not doing that as well as we could either.

You're saying Burrow looked slow yesterday?

: Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:16 am  

LS16_Rhino wrote:

FFS – we’re top of the league, current reigning champions and run our nearest rivals to two very close defeats – why the fook do we need to change anything???

Give over. The gulf in class yesterday was massive.

I dont give a poop about being out of the cup. The mickey mouse trophy means nothing to me, I want the big one again. However, yesterday I was as gutted as I was when we lost the 2005 GF.

Over the last two years, when beaten by Saints we could always look to the fact of a bounce of a ball, or injures, and they were justified. Yesterday, we were simply over ran. The scoreline flattered us, and IMO the gulf in class was far greater than anything I have seen in the last couple of years with them.

: Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:20 am  

BillyRhino wrote:

Spot on. At times we appear to be completely static, and have no idea where the ball carrier is going and end up going 30 yards across the pitch for no forward gain.

Last season when Burrows made a break like that 2nd half one, there would have been 2 or 3 players along side in support. Today? nobody.

We badly need a right centre, as at the moment the Gibson/Donald pairing is not working.

Gibson is struggling at this level, and Donald appears to have his body on the pitch, but his head in Australia. Unless Scotty has a centre good enough to create the gaps for him to use his speed, then he has lost his only attacking option.

On the plus side....Keef is showing some real class and an appetite for the game, Buderus can only improve with some match time.... and the season has a long time to run.

Spot on. Ablett is better in the centre than Gibson - but Ablett is needed in 2nd row as we're a bit light there with no Eastwood. Senior is our only threatenning runner in the back line at the moment (not including webbs support play) which i think is making us too easy to defend against. I also think we miss the tackling of Ellis in the middle who put big hits in time after time.

: Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:23 am  

G1 wrote:

I don't think they have the structure or game-plan.

When Saints attacked our line look at the moves they put on, the runners they had and how they always had an over-lap and we were always desperately scrambling.

Then compare when we had the ball how comfortable they were.

Its' been the same for some time.

Is Bluey's rah rah approach wearing off and do we need something more technical?

They ripped us apart time after time. The speed and accuracy of their passing was tremendous. Far supperior to ours.

: Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:28 am  

DISA wrote:

Give over. The gulf in class yesterday was massive.

I dont give a poop about being out of the cup. The mickey mouse trophy means nothing to me, I want the big one again. However, yesterday I was as gutted as I was when we lost the 2005 GF.

Over the last two years, when beaten by Saints we could always look to the fact of a bounce of a ball, or injures, and they were justified. Yesterday, we were simply over ran. The scoreline flattered us, and IMO the gulf in class was far greater than anything I have seen in the last couple of years with them.

Bang on the mark there. The people who keep reffering to the fact that we're champs and top of league and everything is great at the moment are deluded. The fact of the matter is at present we are not playing no where near as good as Saints. Aleady 2 trophies down out of 3 is not great. Only positive is there's plenty of time for things to change if a top addition to the squad is made. Also Saints could well feel the effects of a much longer cup run than us come the end of the season which could give us an advantage at GF time.

: Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:44 am  

rpw wrote:

Bang on the mark there. The people who keep reffering to the fact that we're champs and top of league and everything is great at the moment are deluded. The fact of the matter is at present we are not playing no where near as good as Saints. Aleady 2 trophies down out of 3 is not great. Only positive is there's plenty of time for things to change if a top addition to the squad is made. Also Saints could well feel the effects of a much longer cup run than us come the end of the season which could give us an advantage at GF time.

With Bulls, and Hull out of the cup already, your only really looking at Wigan Huddersfield and Catalans away as tough fixtures for the scousers. Other than these saints could send their reserve team out and still win the competition. They should be able to get enough rest in this season

: Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:06 am  

rpw wrote:

They ripped us apart time after time. The speed and accuracy of their passing was tremendous. Far supperior to ours.

But then again, I have seen leeds do it to other teams, so its not as if Leeds cant do it. I think part of the problem is that the Leeds half backs dont link up like the Saints half backs do. A lot of the time, you see McGuire or Burrow just trying to create something themselves, by using their pace and step. The both step inside and out, looking for a gap and then when the gap doesnt appear, they just pass to the centre.

On the rare oaccasions they link up together, and have good runners, running good lines, your attacking structure is just as good as Saints is.

: Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:09 am  

leicester_rhino wrote:

With Bulls, and Hull out of the cup already, your only really looking at Wigan Huddersfield and Catalans away as tough fixtures for the scousers. Other than these saints could send their reserve team out and still win the competition. They should be able to get enough rest in this season

true... oh well we're doomed