: Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:36 pm  

tvoc wrote:

Is the squad stronger or weaker this season?

If it's stronger with Buderus and McShane added but without Toopi, Ellis, Scruton and Tansey then we'll have to agree to disagree over whether Hetherington failed or not.

Weaker. Simple as. In the sun today it confirms Martin Gleeson signing for Wigan today...I'm very suprised we've not brought him in. In fact I'm gutted we've not..

: Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:37 pm  

tvoc wrote:

Is the squad stronger or weaker this season?

If it's stronger with Buderus and McShane added but without Toopi, Ellis, Scruton and Tansey then we'll have to agree to disagree over whether Hetherington failed or not.

Ellis..
I'd say losing eastwood was a blow both in terms of strength and the plans for the season.
Toopi played a handfull of match's last year and we won a GF without him and saw out a wcc when he got injured.
Re-Scruton It would of been a toss up between him and burgess this year with everyone fit plus GH made him an offer he refused i don't see his departure as a failure.
As for tansey he wouldn't of featured much this year if at all.
Plus we have Gibson(give the kid a chance it took jjb and disko a lot longer than 5 match's to improve after injury nightmare's).
We also have watkins,Bjb and mcshane all 3 will imo make great player's for us.
The biggest loss is without doubt ellis and his replacement for whatever reason isn't here!!
Now i know we won't repeat the quality of the acadamy in terms of number's at the same time that produced the like's of sinfield,mcguire and burrow etc,but do you not think they should be given a chance??
I don't think the situation squad wise is as bad as some believe,could it be improved of course but it has to be right.

: Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:38 pm  

G1 wrote:

TVOC.

Have you painted a "Sack the board" banner for Easter Monday?

I made one aimed at the Alf Davies run board, i may still have it if he wants to borrow it. it still says "sack the board" on my mums garage fllor where the paint stained through.

: Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:40 pm  

rhinoms wrote:

Ellis..
I'd say losing eastwood was a blow both in terms of strength and the plans for the season.
Toopi played a handfull of match's last year and we won a GF without him and saw out a wcc when he got injured.
Re-Scruton It would of been a toss up between him and burgess this year with everyone fit plus GH made him an offer he refused i don't see his departure as a failure.
As for tansey he wouldn't of featured much this year if at all.
Plus we have Gibson(give the kid a chance it took jjb and disko a lot longer than 5 match's to improve after injury nightmare's).
We also have watkins,Bjb and mcshane all 3 will imo make great player's for us.
The biggest loss is without doubt ellis and his replacement for whatever reason isn't here!!
Now i know we won't repeat the quality of the acadamy in terms of number's at the same time that produced the like's of sinfield,mcguire and burrow etc,but do you not think they should be given a chance??
I don't think the situation squad wise is as bad as some believe,could it be improved of course but it has to right.

Of course it has to be right. Who's saying it shouldn't be right? Overall what TVOC is saying is the squad isn't good enough and GH needs to get rectify this as his off season plan hasn't worked.

: Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:42 pm  

rpw wrote:

Of course it has to be right. Who's saying it shouldn't be right? Overall what TVOC is saying is the squad isn't good enough and GH needs to get rectify this as his off season plan hasn't worked.

Maybe i'm reading this all wrong then,all i see is jibe's at GH and how he's failed and we aren't good enough etc etc plus the slating of player's like gibson is OTT imo.

: Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:49 pm  

G1 wrote:

TVOC.

Have you painted a "Sack the board" banner for Easter Monday?

Give over. It's beneath you or at least it should be.

: Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:53 pm  

rhinoms wrote:

Maybe i'm reading this all wrong then,all i see is jibe's at GH and how he's failed and we aren't good enough etc etc plus the slating of player's like gibson is OTT imo.

I would agree with you on that one mate. I wouldn't slate gibbo - i just don't think hes quite good enough.

All in all I think it's safe to say the squads not good enough at present..BUT we all need to stick together us Leeds fans - sing our hearts out for em and we'll be fine. They're not daft at HQ and i'm sure they'll rectify in time... I think a lot of people are hurting from the loss at the weekend on top of the WCC and the loss at Knowsley road, and rightly so.. we're the champs. We don't like losing.. we must always strive to be the best we can.. but lets just get behind the boys and they'll come good.

: Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:57 pm  

rpw wrote:

I would agree with you on that one mate. I wouldn't slate gibbo - i just don't think hes quite good enough.

All in all I think it's safe to say the squads not good enough at present..BUT we all need to stick together us Leeds fans - sing our hearts out for em and we'll be fine. They're not daft at HQ and i'm sure they'll rectify in time... I think a lot of people are hurting from the loss at the weekend on top of the WCC and the loss at Knowsley road, and rightly so.. we're the champs. We don't like losing.. we must always strive to be the best we can.. but lets just get behind the boys and they'll come good.

I agree with 99% of what you say mate but i think this squad is good enough whereas our performance's against saint's(twice) and manly weren't up to scratch overall i still think there's enough quality in this squad to retain the title.
I will support them no matter what and have been through a lot worse following the loiner's/rhino's!!

: Mon Apr 06, 2009 3:03 pm  

rpw wrote:

I would agree with you on that one mate. I wouldn't slate gibbo - i just don't think hes quite good enough.

But that's slating him isn't it?

At 22, he's the finished product. That product isn't good enough. He was never quick enough, never big enough and never explosive enough.

Watkins shows bags of potential but is raw and loose. His time will come but it's not here yet.

: Mon Apr 06, 2009 3:04 pm  

rhinoms wrote:

I agree with 99% of what you say mate but i think this squad is good enough whereas our performance's against saint's(twice) and manly weren't up to scratch overall i still think there's enough quality in this squad to retain the title.
I will support them no matter what and have been through a lot worse following the loiner's/rhino's!!

Completely agree.