Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:53 pm  

southstander4life wrote:

Only a few players constitue as an awesome signing such as: Benji Marshall, Inglis, Hayne, so be prepared to be dissapointed

Thanks pal but my player gauge is well calibrated.

Those players you mentioned will never play in SL

Awesome would be shilington, kaufusi?

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:54 pm  

Is it just me that gets more excited about the potential appearance of a player like Stevie Ward or one of his contemporaries in the 1st time than some Antipodean over here for all the wrong reasons?

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:56 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

"You have nothing to back up that we offered him a new contract. You have nothing to back up that he turned down a new contract"

Sound familiar?

And yet here you are not five minutes later, stating as fact what Leeds did and didn't do and what Luke Burgess did and didn't want.

You can't have it both ways.

It doesn't sound familiar at all Andy. You are getting your wires crossed.

I know for an absolute fact that Burgess has not been offered a new deal from Leeds. I also know as an absolute fact that Burgess has made no definate plans yet on leaving the country at the end of the year.

Like it's been said, he has a strrong desire to go and probably will, but nothing is in place yet. His mum does not want to go, and neither he or his brother (who also has a desire to go) want to leave her alone. The only way they are going is if she does.

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:58 pm  

G1 wrote:

Is it just me that gets more excited about the potential appearance of a player like Stevie Ward or one of his contemporaries in the 1st time than some Antipodean over here for all the wrong reasons?

No, and had we had a antipodean in the positions Ward plays you might have a point.

But then again usually you keep banging on about staying loyal to past it players, who ironically are holding back the development of players like Stevie Ward.

So what exatly do you want?

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:02 pm  

G1 wrote:

Is it just me that gets more excited about the potential appearance of a player like Stevie Ward or one of his contemporaries in the 1st time than some Antipodean over here for all the wrong reasons?

I'm interested to see what Leeds intend doing with Ward as regards his best position.

He's more a runner than a ball player, although he does have decent hands (think Paul Sculthorpe and you get the idea). Been all over the place in the age groups at Leeds though - 6, 13 and second row IIRC.

Longer term, he's probably a replacement for Sinfield but it will necessitate Leeds changing the way they play to accommodate a running loose forward rather than a playmaker. Short term, is his physical development far enough advanced that he can cope with playing second row?

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:04 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

No, and had we had a antipodean in the positions Ward plays you might have a point.

But then again usually you keep banging on about staying loyal to past it players, who ironically are holding back the development of players like Stevie Ward.

So what exatly do you want?

Stevie Ward has not been held back. He's being handled perfectly. He's in the middle of his exams and is very young. I'd hope to see him be gradually introduced to 1st team over the next couple of years and, if goes well be a regular by 2014.

And I've never suggested we be loyal to "past it players".

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:04 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

It doesn't sound familiar at all Andy. You are getting your wires crossed.

If it doesn't sound familiar, then you've got short term memory issues...

It would appear then that you (and only you) are in possession of these "absolute facts"? I presume these have come either directly from Luke himself in that case, or from Gary Hetherington? Which is it?

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:05 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

I'm interested to see what Leeds intend doing with Ward as regards his best position.

He's more a runner than a ball player, although he does have decent hands (think Paul Sculthorpe and you get the idea). Been all over the place in the age groups at Leeds though - 6, 13 and second row IIRC.

Longer term, he's probably a replacement for Sinfield but it will necessitate Leeds changing the way they play to accommodate a running loose forward rather than a playmaker. Short term, is his physical development far enough advanced that he can cope with playing second row?

I'd imagine if we don't chuck him in the 1st team in the next 2 weeks Gotcha will claim we've held him back out of loyalty to a past it Sinfield.

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:06 pm  

Extremely happy to see Cross go.

Complete opposite for Burgess. He's been one of our best props this season, I don't understand why McDermott doesn't play him? Something has gone on behind the scenes I think...

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:07 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

If it doesn't sound familiar, then you've got short term memory issues...

It would appear then that you (and only you) are in possession of these "absolute facts"? I presume these have come either directly from Luke himself in that case, or from Gary Hetherington? Which is it?

Andy, his reference to the Burgess's mother's role in this evidences to me that Gotcha has absolutely no facts whatsoever and no understanding of the Burgess' family dynamics. He couldn't be wider of the mark.

It's not for sharing on here but I'll tell you Monday.