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All fair points Chester but can I please ask who you would have replaced the likes of Sinfield, JP, Maggsy, Burrow and Hall with based on other SL clubs signings?
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Marty - hall didn't matter as much as the others.

We gambled on Sutcliffe coming through in 2016 which was fair enough as we still had McGuire, but he was utterly out of his depth. Instead of getting someone else in we went with moon, who again was carried by McGuire in 2017.

Why nobody seemed to realise we needed 2 halfbacks for 2018 is beyond me. Then having seen that fail we sign a reserve grade full back as one of our main playmakers. Utterly bonkers.

As for props, Galloway was a dinosaur in the NRL who hadn't looked like a first grade prop for years. Peteru had barely played when we signed him. These guys were supposed to replace JP and Kylie??? Garbutt has since left as well, so we're 3 class props down with only Ava looking the part as replacement.

As an aside I bet GH kept thinking he'd unearth another Kylie - in fact he was the exception that proved the rule that if you pay peanuts....

Then there was the whole hooker debacle which still isn't sorted.

In the meantime players like Austin, David Fifita etc have come to SL and we haven't signed one of the many good English players who have come off contract since 2015 - pretty much every player in SL would have been potentially available since then.

Now we've gone from a club that players might have been willing to play for on slight unders to one where they probably want a premium to join.

And few decent juniors over the last five years - Walker, Newman, Oledzki, maybe Smith.

All in all a complete and utter shambles.
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BrisbaneRhino wrote:
Marty - hall didn't matter as much as the others.

We gambled on Sutcliffe coming through in 2016 which was fair enough as we still had McGuire, but he was utterly out of his depth. Instead of getting someone else in we went with moon, who again was carried by McGuire in 2017.

Why nobody seemed to realise we needed 2 halfbacks for 2018 is beyond me. Then having seen that fail we sign a reserve grade full back as one of our main playmakers. Utterly bonkers.

As for props, Galloway was a dinosaur in the NRL who hadn't looked like a first grade prop for years. Peteru had barely played when we signed him. These guys were supposed to replace JP and Kylie??? Garbutt has since left as well, so we're 3 class props down with only Ava looking the part as replacement.

As an aside I bet GH kept thinking he'd unearth another Kylie - in fact he was the exception that proved the rule that if you pay peanuts....

Then there was the whole hooker debacle which still isn't sorted.

In the meantime players like Austin, David Fifita etc have come to SL and we haven't signed one of the many good English players who have come off contract since 2015 - pretty much every player in SL would have been potentially available since then.

Now we've gone from a club that players might have been willing to play for on slight unders to one where they probably want a premium to join.

And few decent juniors over the last five years - Walker, Newman, Oledzki, maybe Smith.

All in all a complete and utter shambles.


Good post and agreed. Weve missed a trick big time not signing one of the very good English players since 2015. I think Mellor is an astute signing but we need a JP like signing. Imo he was possibly the most important signing we made.
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I doubt he'd want to join a struggling side or Leeds in particular but if you want a genuine leader I'd go for James Graham.
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BrisbaneRhino wrote:
Marty - hall didn't matter as much as the others.

We gambled on Sutcliffe coming through in 2016 which was fair enough as we still had McGuire, but he was utterly out of his depth. Instead of getting someone else in we went with moon, who again was carried by McGuire in 2017.

Why nobody seemed to realise we needed 2 halfbacks for 2018 is beyond me. Then having seen that fail we sign a reserve grade full back as one of our main playmakers. Utterly bonkers.

As for props, Galloway was a dinosaur in the NRL who hadn't looked like a first grade prop for years. Peteru had barely played when we signed him. These guys were supposed to replace JP and Kylie??? Garbutt has since left as well, so we're 3 class props down with only Ava looking the part as replacement.

As an aside I bet GH kept thinking he'd unearth another Kylie - in fact he was the exception that proved the rule that if you pay peanuts....

Then there was the whole hooker debacle which still isn't sorted.

In the meantime players like Austin, David Fifita etc have come to SL and we haven't signed one of the many good English players who have come off contract since 2015 - pretty much every player in SL would have been potentially available since then.

Now we've gone from a club that players might have been willing to play for on slight unders to one where they probably want a premium to join.

And few decent juniors over the last five years - Walker, Newman, Oledzki, maybe Smith.

All in all a complete and utter shambles.


That’s all pretty much spot on, and why those blaming Sinfield for this mess are way off the mark IMO
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Isn’t it more customary to pin all the crap to the person who’s just left rather than the one who’s just arrived?

Sinfield has made some mistakes since he got here, but didn’t create the unholy shoitestorm he inherited.
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BrisbaneRhino wrote:
I doubt he'd want to join a struggling side or Leeds in particular but if you want a genuine leader I'd go for James Graham.


Yes agree he may want to finish his career back here. Would do nicely for 2 or 3 seasons.
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batleyrhino wrote:
Isn’t it more customary to pin all the crap to the person who’s just left rather than the one who’s just arrived?

Sinfield has made some mistakes since he got here, but didn’t create the unholy shoitestorm he inherited.


As sad as it makes me to say this but GH takes most of the blame. However Sinfield isnt blameless if we go down this year as imo we should have brought Wane in. Only imo however
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BrisbaneRhino wrote:
Marty - hall didn't matter as much as the others.

We gambled on Sutcliffe coming through in 2016 which was fair enough as we still had McGuire, but he was utterly out of his depth. Instead of getting someone else in we went with moon, who again was carried by McGuire in 2017.

Why nobody seemed to realise we needed 2 halfbacks for 2018 is beyond me. Then having seen that fail we sign a reserve grade full back as one of our main playmakers. Utterly bonkers.

As for props, Galloway was a dinosaur in the NRL who hadn't looked like a first grade prop for years. Peteru had barely played when we signed him. These guys were supposed to replace JP and Kylie??? Garbutt has since left as well, so we're 3 class props down with only Ava looking the part as replacement.

As an aside I bet GH kept thinking he'd unearth another Kylie - in fact he was the exception that proved the rule that if you pay peanuts....

Then there was the whole hooker debacle which still isn't sorted.

In the meantime players like Austin, David Fifita etc have come to SL and we haven't signed one of the many good English players who have come off contract since 2015 - pretty much every player in SL would have been potentially available since then.

Now we've gone from a club that players might have been willing to play for on slight unders to one where they probably want a premium to join.

And few decent juniors over the last five years - Walker, Newman, Oledzki, maybe Smith.

All in all a complete and utter shambles.

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