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: Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:06 pm  
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Im not trying to be funny or owt but that was not eliminator.


Last season, in the eliminator he means
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: Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:09 pm  
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Last season, in the eliminator he means


Im sure we played Wigan in the eliminator last season.
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: Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:13 pm  
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Im sure we played Wigan in the eliminator last season.


Alright, qualifying semi or whatever the fook it's called.

Not sure why everyone is so surprised we looked the better side - we've been the better side for years, just that pesky trip to old trafford . . . .
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: Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:18 pm  
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Im sure we played Wigan in the eliminator last season.


Pedantic much? ;)
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: Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:35 pm  
one good point nobody,me included, has mentioned is we stumbled through most of 2007 in unconvincing style. in fact we were very average for most of it.
it could be that because of the world cup bluey has deliberately gone for a slow start and was unlucky to draw saints early. time will tell on that one.
speaking to an ex SL player today at work,he is now a contractor, his words were" for'ards not big or tough enough.you need a couple of nasty feckers in there".
can't argue with that!

there is still time to get better, it's early. however the balance of the side must improve. a right centre and forward is a must for me, especially a centre. george carmont till the end of the season now gleeson has signed?
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: Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:47 pm  
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one good point nobody,me included, has mentioned is we stumbled through most of 2007 in unconvincing style. in fact we were very average for most of it.
it could be that because of the world cup bluey has deliberately gone for a slow start and was unlucky to draw saints early. time will tell on that one.
speaking to an ex SL player today at work,he is now a contractor, his words were" for'ards not big or tough enough.you need a couple of nasty feckers in there".
can't argue with that!

there is still time to get better, it's early. however the balance of the side must improve. a right centre and forward is a must for me, especially a centre. george carmont till the end of the season now gleeson has signed?


How old's Carmont? He's over 30 I think, if Senior's staying for another year then we'd have 2 over 30 years centres, Watkins will be able to step up by the end of next year IMO and we'll have to see how Gibson develops. But if he doesn't it'll just be delaying another overseas player, the best option is to get an overseas quality centre who we can get on a long term contract then give Senior another year then Watkins will step up.
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: Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:49 pm  
someone such as carmont for example will give watkins an extra year to develop.he would still get plenty of games
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: Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:50 pm  
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someone such as carmont for example will give watkins an extra year to develop.he would still get plenty of games

He's a left centre though isn't he???????
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: Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:52 pm  
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He's a left centre though isn't he???????


Yes, but Senior can play right centre as well, he did it at Cardiff and in the Grand Final.
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: Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:37 pm  
I'm ignoring the whole centre debate because I think the club's doing the right thing there. I think we lack some destructive running in the forwards, with really only Laut'iti and Leuluai as hard hitters with the ball - and Ali is often not that fit and Leuluai only plays in spells. If Hock had better hands and discipline I'd have him in a second.

The 'pace' stuff's b*lls IMO. The backs are reasonably quick as a unit, and McGuire-Burrow are probably faster than most halfback pairings. In any event everyone looks a yard faster when the attack is working and pedestrian when its not.

My issue is that the structure of the team looks poor. When you get near the opposition line, there should be a clear plan for the 5 tackles, which only changes if an opportunity arises or someone stuffs it up.

With Leeds it appears that whilst the 'elements' of a planned set are there (i.e. a couple of drives to suck in the forwards then start moving wider) this really doesn't seem to be done with the clear intent of dragging the defence around and with a full understanding by the team of what plays will be run on each tackle.

I'd like to see McGuire and Burrow in at first receiver more often, with Sinfield further out. He provides structure but the other two need to take more responsibility for the team than they do, and McGuire in particular out wide seems to run his centre out of space quite regularly (another reason why Gibson may not be looking the best).

As I say, I think it's pretty poor that with thiose three plus Webb and Diskin/Buderus that we aren't the most dangerous side in the league close to the opponents line.

To be fair that was also something I felt at times when Smith was coach as well. I do wonder if it's down to our 'plan' being more around making sure all of our 'playmakers' get the ball. All I know is I've seen sides with a single attacking ball handler look more structured and therefore dangerous near the tryline than Leeds.
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