Re: 2017 | Out of Contract Players : Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:44 pm  

rollin thunder wrote:

i was under the impression with sutcliffe that mcd had him down as first choice half with myler next year and that was why mcguire decided to move on.

He said say in his press conference last week that Leeds haven't written off Sutcliffe off as a 6 yet, but the way Moon has performed since being given the role has probably made him first choice at the moment.

Re: 2017 | Out of Contract Players : Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:08 pm  

I think Moon and Myler will be the HB pairing at the start of the season.

Re: 2017 | Out of Contract Players : Sat Jul 22, 2017 6:07 am  

PrinterThe wrote:

I think Moon and Myler will be the HB pairing at the start of the season.

I agree and i hope it works out that way. Id like to see sutcliffe in the left Centre role, im not as high on keinhorst as a lot of people and think sutcliffe would offer a lot more there given a run of games.

Re: 2017 | Out of Contract Players : Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:03 am  

PrinterThe wrote:

I think Moon and Myler will be the HB pairing at the start of the season.

Definitely

Aside from the coaching debate.... : Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:13 pm  

IMHO This is where the squad are deficient:

1. Ashton Golding; 04/09/96; Fullback [2021] - CT K
2. Tom Briscoe; 19/03/90; Wing/Centre/Fullback [2018] - FT - no form for 2 years shadow of the player we first signed
3. Kallum Watkins; 12/03/91; Centre/Wing/Fullback [2019] - CT K
4. Joel Moon; 20/05/88; Centre/Stand Off/Half Back/Second Row/Loose Forward [2018] - NFT
5. Ryan Hall; 27/11/87; Wing/Centre [2018] - CT
6. ???????????????????????? we need a organising stand off but from where ?Sutcliffe and Moon not the answer
7. Richie Myler; 21/05/90; Half Back [2020] - FT

Forwards:
8. Keith Galloway; 02/08/85; Prop [2018] - NFT ---- waste of a NFT spot unlucky with injury dissappointing to say he is ex SOO and Australian international
9. Matt Parcell; 30/10/1992; Hooker [2019] - NFT OQ
10. Adam Cuthbertson; 24/02/85; Prop/Second Row [2018] - NFT
11. Jamie Jones-Buchanan; 01/08/81; Second Row/Loose Forward [2017] - CT
12. Carl Ablett; 19/12/85; Second Row/Centre/Loose Forward [2018] - CT
13. Stevie Ward; 17/11/93; Loose Forward/Second Row/Centre [2020] - CT K
14. Liam Sutcliffe; 25/11/94; Fullback/Half Back/Loose Forward/Centre [2017] - CT K
15. Brett Delaney; 26/10/85; Second Row/Centre [2018] - NFT ** Done same as Galloway
16. Brad Singleton; 29/10/92; Prop/Loose Forward [2018] - CT
17. Mitch Garbutt; 18/04/89; Prop [2019] - NFT OQ
18. Jimmy Keinhorst; 14/07/90; Centre/Second Row [2018] - CT n
19. Brett Ferres; 19/04/86; Second Row/Loose Forward [2019] - FT
20. Anthony Mullally; 28/06/91; Prop [2018] - FT Sub standard forward
21. Josh Walters; 23/12/94; Centre/Second Row [2017] - CT ** as above
22. Ashley Handley; 16/02/96; Wing/Centre [2017] - CT **
23. Jack Ormondroyd; 07/11/91; Prop [2019] - FT **
24. Jordan Baldwinson; 11/11/94; Prop/Second Row [2017] - CT **
25. Jordan Lilley; 04/09/96; Half Back/Hooker/Loose Forward [2020] - CT K
26 Cory Aston/1995; Half Back [2018] - FT K - Bradford Bulls
27. Cameron Smith; 07/10/98; Loose Forward - CT [2018] 
28. Mikolaj Oledzki; 08/11/98; Prop/Second Row [2021] - CT
29. Joshua Jordan-Roberts; 26/08/98; Loose Forward - CT **
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31. 
32. Alex Sutcliffe; 21/01/99; Centre/Second Row - CT
33. Harry Newman; 19/02/00; Centre - CT
34. Harvey Whiteley; 26/09/98; Loose Forward/Hooker/Half Back - CT
Brad Dwyer; 28/04/93; Hooker [2019] - FT
 
From this I would say we need 3 decent forwards and 2 quality backs for the squad to put us back into Finals again. As JP said after the match (or something similar) ,if we fail to reach the final play off's then we need some sort of overhaul. Perhaps if some deadwood is chopped we will have some leverage room under the cap,but other teams seem to be able to attract decent quality players to their squads so why not Leeds.
Thoughts anyone?

Re: Aside from the coaching debate.... : Sat Jul 29, 2017 11:20 pm  

If the 2010 squad was under the cap, the cap surely cannot be an issue in 2017/2018. The serial unwillingness to spend what is permitted could explain why Leeds are only able to recruit journeymen and retain championship quality players.

Somewhat ironic that posting this message while stopping off on the way home - charging my car in the Doncaster Lakeside car-park (a stones throw from the Keepmoat) having watched the game with family in Leeds.

Re: Aside from the coaching debate.... : Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:37 am  

I think people get too caught up analysing the cap. You would be surprised with some of the wages, and value for money certainly isn't a measure of it.

You would be right to think with player x gone, player y can't be on that, but it would be a wrong assumption. And to be fair although this is poor from a management point, it is indicative of how the low salary cap has restricted throughout the game, and why Super League has gone so far backwards as a result.

Re: Aside from the coaching debate.... : Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:51 am  

Cuthbo aside, I think all our forwards are complete plodders.

Re: Aside from the coaching debate.... : Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:43 am  

Bang wrote:

Cuthbo aside, I think all our forwards are complete plodders.

Cuthbertsons best at 13 and imo the best 13 in the league,I think ward is a quality backrower and could be even better if his skills were used more often and i quite like garbutt but other than that i agree,our other props and backrowers are pretty poor,lots of hard work but no dynamism or threat atall

Re: 2017 | Out of Contract Players : Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:50 am  

PrinterThe wrote:

I think Moon and Myler will be the HB pairing at the start of the season.

god forbid it is