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| Quote Barrie’s Glass Eye="Barrie’s Glass Eye"I wouldn’t be surprised if Lisone got a ban but the big tell for me was the Hudds players didn’t react, so maybe it’s a case of it looked worse and the first contact was ok.
I get people saying it’s not an improvement, Hudds are crap etc. But even if you don’t want to call it improvement there’s a clear change in approach and a difference under Arthur. Especially defensively in a very short period of time.'"
I think he will mate, there is no excuse for leading with the none ball carrying forearm/elbow. There is no question that if Russell had stayed down he would have walked.
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| A slight improvemeIN[/fimgnt tonight but still a long way off but it's pleasing to see Brad Arthur has made improvements in such a short period of time
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| We need to try keep BA for next season IMO. He’s got the high standards we need, you can tell he’s a seasoned NRL coach, and that’s rare in SL.
Interesting his comments about Frawley, who everyone bagged. “he’s an NRL standard player”
I was worried after the first half performance because all that intensity in defence is fine but not if you’re constantly making errors in attack but i thought we fixed a lot of that up in the second half.
I think we’ll make the playoffs now
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| I don't think we'll make the play-offs, but I do hope Arthur stays on. Somebody posted that he'd been offered assistant coach at the Knights next year, and that will be a temptation for him if true. That said, he does keep alluding to what he could do with a pre-season, so it's clearly in his thoughts.
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| Who would have thought it! Lisone trying to pick up a ban. Does he not like playing in August?
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| Frawley was bagged by everyone because he was pretty poor most weeks and very average on others, hes got a remit under Arthur thats clearer with more responsibility, hes really benefitting from the change of coach. I hope Croft and ackers can find their groove too as they still look well short of what we hoped for. Momirovski i cant see ever getting to where we need himhes just so sloppy, theres no redeeming quality how did he play for Roosters, Storm and Panthers?!
I dont think we will make the playofffs on the basis of last night, Huddersfield are poor and also very understrength. For us to get the wins required there would need to be a similar shift to our good ball attack as weve seen with the defensive intensity since BAa arrival as well as a continued improvement in discipline and consitency with concentration to end sets better and cut down the errors. He mentioned again that hes not against staying and i hope he does because hes uncomplicated the game and wants it played in the style thats always been the foundation to successful teams.
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| Quote Zig="Zig"I think he will mate, there is no excuse for leading with the none ball carrying forearm/elbow. There is no question that if Russell had stayed down he would have walked.'"
Agreed & if the first contact had been with the head I don't think Russell would have had any choice but to stay down. The first contact is with the chest but Lisone's arm momentum is upwards & then makes contact with the head, but not enough for him to stay down. Given Russell's head was already going backwards after the initial impact he probably felt very little as Lisone's arm goes upwards & across his head. It was a red; Lisone will be banned & I am ok with that. There are plenty of incidents that go unpunished initially.
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| Hiring any coach is a risk but Arthur is finally a coach with the pedigree who deserves to be backed with time and money. There are no guarantees in sport but you'll usually do better working on pedigree and past success. Rather than extremely risky decisions and gimmicks.
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| Agree with much of the above. Good second half performance against a poor team but a solid win is a solid win. Frawley looks much much better playing with structure and you can tell he's really liking Brad Arthur's coaching. Who knew a coach could make a big difference ey ??!! Momorovski is just really sloppy, makes a lot of errors, but looks short of confidence. Looks a poor signing at the moment you have to say. Newman looked better, but he's lost half a yard of pace imo, injuries have taken their toll but he might get back to something like yet, last night was promising.
Still a long way off a playoff team imo though, attacking wise we are still very very clunky, that will take Arthur time but he doesn't have it. Defensively I thought it was much much better, far more aggressive. We will be missing Lisone next week and that is a big blow against Salford.. we are already light up front.
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| The other games this week could be pivotal to our playoff hopes. If Salford, Saints and Catalans lose its all to play for.
As poor as we have been this season we could just be 2 points behind Saints
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| Improvement again. Lisone is a grade A t!t though. His reaction of being put on report and then acting like he did at that Try.
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| Only caught the second half last night, as others have said, its clear we've made improvements under Arthur, defence much improved. Still a lot to work on but the signs are positive.
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| Quote ArthurClues="ArthurClues"I don't think we'll make the play-offs, but I do hope Arthur stays on. Somebody posted that he'd been offered assistant coach at the Knights next year, and that will be a temptation for him if true. That said, he does keep alluding to what he could do with a pre-season, so it's clearly in his thoughts.'"
I doubt that will be that great a temptation for him, unless he had to for financial reasons. He has been the first team coach for many years in the NRL and he would want to be again. So if that's the only offer, other than the new team in Perth (which is 2 years away) then would he prefer to stay with us for at least next season, or as an assistant elsewhere in the NRL.As usual the settling in the UK for his wife etc could be an issue as she is not even arriving until mid August according to Arthur.
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| Why would Lisone get a ban? Nothing wrong with initial contact. Incident seems exactly the same as the Tyler Dupree one earlier this year which MRP gave no ban for.
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| Because we are unlucky with the bans
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| Quote RonnieGinger="RonnieGinger"Improvement again. Lisone is a grade A t!t though. His reaction of being put on report and then acting like he did at that Try.'"
Seems to have taken the Throne off Tetavano..
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| Defensively massively improved. Attack still miles off. Failing to kick on three consecutive sets, Frawley losing us possession on the first play etc.
I sense Arthur has mainly been focusing on defence. I suspect he may look at our attack a bit more to sharpen us up. We look very low on confidence at the moment and thus, a good win last night should hopefully boost us a little. A win next week could hopefully get us playing confidently again.
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| Quote Trebor1="Trebor1"Seems to have taken the Throne off Tetavano..'"
AS I saw it he celebrated the try, much as other players do whooping a try or an opposition error. The three players that went at him were more at fault for causing the incident.
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| Didn't get to see the game last night and have just watched it.
Granted, it's an easier watch when you know the result.
But I was impressed.
Obviously Arthur is focusing on the defence.
Line speed and aggression make a massive difference. Who knew?.....
Still very clunky in attack and too many individual mistakes, but I'm sure he'll be on to that next.
This squad of players is not good enough for top 3, but could squeeze into the play offs based on what I've seen so far.
Arthur clearly knows what he's doing.
We should offer him 2 years now.
If he's got the Perth NRL team in his sights for 2027, give him the gig for the next 2 years and we all know where we stand.
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| Quote Neruda="Neruda"Why would Lisone get a ban? Nothing wrong with initial contact. '"
It is no different to the swinging arm going off the arm or shoulder into the head of the defender. It might be accidental but on your logic anyone could do that, break someone's jaw, but claim the initial contact was legal.
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| Quote tigertot="tigertot"It is no different to the swinging arm going off the arm or shoulder into the head of the defender. It might be accidental but on your logic anyone could do that, break someone's jaw, but claim the initial contact was legal.'"
Arms going off the the ball or arm of the ball carrier don't result in a red card or a 4 game ban.
Claiming he went in leading with elbow is factually wrong, and we've seen the same reviewed by MRP this season and results in no ban.
Not sure what youre arguing about.
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| Quote Neruda="Neruda"Arms going off the the ball or arm of the ball carrier don't result in a red card or a 4 game ban.
Claiming he went in leading with elbow is factually wrong, and we've seen the same reviewed by MRP this season and results in no ban.
Not sure what youre arguing about.'"
The first contact is with the forearm/elbow. I am not sure how you can dispute it. It is then Lisone's responsibility to control where it goes & for the after-effects of it. There was no malicious intent IMO but it will be a ban. An elbow can cause far more damage than an arm. I can't believe you do not understand the rules.
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| Quote tigertot="tigertot"The first contact is with the forearm/elbow. I am not sure how you can dispute it. It is then Lisone's responsibility to control where it goes & for the after-effects of it. There was no malicious intent IMO but it will be a ban. An elbow can cause far more damage than an arm. I can't believe you do not understand the rules.'"
I can dispute it by using my eyes, and seeing Lisone has his arm tucked against his body going into the tackle, arm is then raised as defender falls backwards off the tackle
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| Funny game this one. Takeways for me are that you can definitely see some positive influence from Arthur as expected, but the squad just looks exposed at this point.
Thought Huddersfield were dire in patches.
Not at all impressed with our first half, thought we dished up some garbage but we look better because our defensive line is quicker and more aggressive.
We just look small and slow. Bentley was great with his energy when he came on, and I think he works best in that role as a wasp when the opposition is tired. But when he, O'Connor and Donaldson are on the field together in the pack, it's vaguely depressing. Was also depressing to see Mom get caught on his clean break, it's the first time I think I've seen him stretch his legs and he wasn't quick enough. Jack Smith would have finished that.
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| Quote tigertot="tigertot"The first contact is with the forearm/elbow. I am not sure how you can dispute it. It is then Lisone's responsibility to control where it goes & for the after-effects of it. There was no malicious intent IMO but it will be a ban. An elbow can cause far more damage than an arm. I can't believe you do not understand the rules.'"
Just prior o the contact Lisone had transitioned the ball from his left hand into his right hand with hi elbow tucked into his body. The natural reaction of any player would be to bring your elbow away from your body as you are running, this "promoted" hi elbow into the tackle.
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