Re: Finally something positive - Good article from Brown : Fri May 03, 2013 8:33 am  

I think we need to face reality that we probably wont be able to see Hohaia off to Salford and we're probably stuck with him until his contract is up. While he is here I think he could be a decent addition to the team once everyone is fit. If he occupied a bench spot he could provide cover to the backs or interchange with Roby.

I'd like to see us part with Wilkin, he's not what we need in the forwards and isn't good enough in the backs.

As for Meli, i've been one of his biggest fans but it's time to move on and we should be putting a lot into bringing Broughton in.

Our potential team for next year looks promising though.

Re: Finally something positive - Good article from Brown : Fri May 03, 2013 9:51 am  

TheVee wrote:

I think we need to face reality that we probably wont be able to see Hohaia off to Salford and we're probably stuck with him until his contract is up. While he is here I think he could be a decent addition to the team once everyone is fit. If he occupied a bench spot he could provide cover to the backs or interchange with Roby.

I'd like to see us part with Wilkin, he's not what we need in the forwards and isn't good enough in the backs.

As for Meli, i've been one of his biggest fans but it's time to move on and we should be putting a lot into bringing Broughton in.

Our potential team for next year looks promising though.

Why is it unrealistic for us to offload Hohaia, yet you are quite happy with the idea of getting rid of Wilkin? Surely both are here until their contracts are up? I wasn't being 100% serious with those comments above; more a case of hope than reality.

I'm unsure on Broughton, seems ok but I haven't really seen him stand out. Bit of unwarranted hype around him I think.

Re: Finally something positive - Good article from Brown : Fri May 03, 2013 10:08 am  

BackrowSaint wrote:

Lance could be quite dangerous if told just to run and attack without worrying about creating and organising.

Wilkin, whilst he's never a scrum half, is the best option we have at 7 at the moment and will do a better job than anyone else directing us round the park.

I agree, leave the organising to Wilkin, and let Hohaia have more of a running game where he looks more dangerous. Not ideal, but the best we can come up with the current set of players, until Wheeler comes back, who I think could make a decent stand off if he can stay fit.

Re: Finally something positive - Good article from Brown : Fri May 03, 2013 11:37 am  

Albion wrote:

Why is it unrealistic for us to offload Hohaia, yet you are quite happy with the idea of getting rid of Wilkin? Surely both are here until their contracts are up? I wasn't being 100% serious with those comments above; more a case of hope than reality.

If we did want rid of Hohaia, wanted to sign Hanbury and had the cojones to flex a bit of muscle, we could negotiate/force a swap. Hanbury's OOC and (I reckon) will be on a couple of clubs radar (I can see both Wigan and Leeds looking at him), so might be hard to hold on to. He's currently playing fullback -hohaia's position of (everyone else's) choice.
Widnes may lose him a couple of months early, but gain an experienced and dangerous attacking fullback to cover them fot the next couple of years.

Re: Finally something positive - Good article from Brown : Fri May 03, 2013 11:38 am  

I think Salford will be in Hanbury too, maybe even Hull.

Re: Finally something positive - Good article from Brown : Fri May 03, 2013 3:06 pm  

I think the end of the day we have to create our own half backs. Too many clubs gone for the quick fix of "buying in" players each year descending in quality, to the point were we are now of probably only half a dozen high quality half backs in the entire superleague.
The clubs that adopt this half back development structure will most likely be the successful ones as importation from abroad completely dries up.

Re: Finally something positive - Good article from Brown : Fri May 03, 2013 3:17 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

I think the end of the day we have to create our own half backs. Too many clubs gone for the quick fix of "buying in" players each year descending in quality, to the point were we are now of probably only half a dozen high quality half backs in the entire superleague.
The clubs that adopt this half back development structure will most likely be the successful ones as importation from abroad completely dries up.

See Mcguire and Sinfield, see Martyn/Pryce and Long for long term successful partnerships with british players. When you get it right, its the key, but we're so far from that we need to take remiedial action and sign up Walsh and AN Other imo - these can help us bring on our young lads like yates and swift, much like when Leeds signed Dunemann all them years back.
If we signed Hanbury as well as Walsh, he'd be a very good starting 6. He also has the versility to cover (very well) #1 and #7 and (i reckon) #9 too, allowing us to pick which youngsters to draft in without pressure.

Re: Finally something positive - Good article from Brown : Fri May 03, 2013 3:42 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

If we signed Hanbury as well as Walsh, he'd be a very good starting 6. He also has the versility to cover (very well) #1 and #7 and (i reckon) #9 too, allowing us to pick which youngsters to draft in without pressure.

If we were capable of signing both it might be a quick fix short term but the same problem would come around in a few years time. We need to improve the development transition of the younger players to give the club 5 or 6 years of stability in the creative postions, the first clubs to have the courage to do that will probably be the successful clubs of the future.
If we mange to sign up Walsh, I think maybe the best option is to have Yates, Swift, Charnock etc playing along side him. I,ve negated Lance as Brown could see him more of a utility role as team options increase.

So its whats acceptable by the fans a quick fix with the chance of winning trophies or the creation of another dynasty which could last for a decade similar to Saints 1996-2006.

Re: Finally something positive - Good article from Brown : Fri May 03, 2013 4:04 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

I think the end of the day we have to create our own half backs. Too many clubs gone for the quick fix of "buying in" players each year descending in quality, to the point were we are now of probably only half a dozen high quality half backs in the entire superleague.
The clubs that adopt this half back development structure will most likely be the successful ones as importation from abroad completely dries up.

Trust me, there are high quality half backs (with real potential) at the club at u15/u16's scholarship age. Its about developing those lads to the highest possible standard so that come 19/20, they are ready for the first team.