Cunningham : Tue May 20, 2014 9:15 am  

If blame is getting banded around what exactly does Kieron do?

Is he there to train and get the forwards motivated as thats not working

He'll always be a legend at Saints but coaching isn't his forte maybe?

Re: Cunningham : Tue May 20, 2014 9:53 am  

If he is helping to condition the players then its not working, if he is providing big match experience mentality then thats not working either, if he is sorting out our defence structure then thats not working at all.
The whole coaching structure needs to be re modelled top to bottom.

Re: Cunningham : Tue May 20, 2014 9:56 am  

He used to be on the pitch during the warm up and huddle the forwards to pep them up, not seen him do that in a long time

Re: Cunningham : Tue May 20, 2014 9:58 am  

He's our forwards coach, that should tell you all you need to know about his coaching abilities

Re: Cunningham : Tue May 20, 2014 10:28 am  

Saint Simon wrote:

He's our forwards coach, that should tell you all you need to know about his coaching abilities

Pull his statue down then and put it in our dressing room and it will do more use as him now?

Re: Cunningham : Tue May 20, 2014 11:27 am  

I do fear we have become a retirement home for former players.

Sure Wigan have their fair share too, but we do seem to be getting chock full, to the point where players still playing are waiting for a spot to open up.

Maybe we should not be hiring players the second they retire and we should just be getting the best man for the job.

Re: Cunningham : Tue May 20, 2014 11:30 am  

bewareshadows wrote:

I do fear we have become a retirement home for former players.

I'm starting to fear the opposite - that people underestimate how important having people like Wellens and Cunningham around the club is. I get very nervy reading some people advocate a mass clearout of some of the proudest and most committed players the club has ever had.

Do we really think the attitude around the club would improve by getting shut of the likes of Wellens and Cunningham?

People are casting envious glances over at Wigan and the part played by Wane and Radlinski as home town boys, yet think our way to a more passionate club is cutting ties with our passionate past?

Re: Cunningham : Tue May 20, 2014 11:38 am  

FearTheVee wrote:

I'm starting to fear the opposite - that people underestimate how important having people like Wellens and Cunningham around the club is. I get very nervy reading some people advocate a mass clearout of some of the proudest and most committed players the club has ever had.

Do we really think the attitude around the club would improve by getting shut of the likes of Wellens and Cunningham?

People are casting envious glances over at Wigan and the part played by Wane and Radlinski as home town boys, yet think our way to a more passionate club is cutting ties with our passionate past?

Well why isn't Kieron & Wello getting the best out of the players now?
Kieron should be bouncing them of the dressing room walls and demanding the war like attitude that Wane's boys do at Wigun?

Re: Cunningham : Tue May 20, 2014 11:48 am  

Rommel wrote:

Well why isn't Kieron & Wello getting the best out of the players now?
Kieron should be bouncing them of the dressing room walls and demanding the war like attitude that Wane's boys do at Wigun?

Wane served his apprenticeship under Maguire - he didn't need to send them bouncing out of the dressing room because Maguire (as HEAD COACH) was more than capable of doing that.

Keiron is assistant to Brown. He is not head coach. He doesn't have the final say on tactics like making our outside backs cart the first 4 tackles in our own 20 metre area. Those tactics actually have a massive impact on how we all view our forwards because we never see them doing the tough stuff, but then again I think they're told not to!

Keiron isn't the one standing up at half time in a game we're getting mullered, with a defeatist, hands in pocket stance like Brown did at the weekend.

Wellens, when on the pitch, provides the sort of influence you would expect him to. He's not on the pitch enough in my opinion (we often look a different side when he is) and it's difficult for him to influence these car crash starts to games from the bench. Having said that, I dread to think what this team would be like without him there every day in training. You could see what it all means to him after the game at the weekend.

Cunningham and Wellens do not pick the team and do not decide whether to drop under-performing players. I get the feeling that if Wellens was picking the team this weekend we'd see some casualties.

Re: Cunningham : Tue May 20, 2014 11:49 am  

Rommel wrote:

Well why isn't Kieron & Wello getting the best out of the players now?
Kieron should be bouncing them of the dressing room walls and demanding the war like attitude that Wane's boys do at Wigun?

The lads we have aren't capable of a war-like attitude and that's the problem. We've signed yellow-bellied fluff while Wigan have prioritised toughness and mental strength as the number 1 attribute for any new signing.