Re: Sick List : Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:43 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

Although our right edge isn't much better, it is our left that seems to be perceived as the weak side and so I'd drop Swift and Percival, put them on extra tackling tuition, and bring in Jones and Dawson for Bradford.

I don't think tackling is really the problem (not with Swift, anyway; Percy does miss the odd simple one-on-one). It's more to do with positioning and communication; they're missing a lot of tackles because they're making bad reads and having to try and make tackles from impossible situations. There are more instances that won't count on the missed tackle list because the misread has been so complete that the attacker hasn't been touched (e.g. Charnley's tries last week). I think the best solution would be, for the time being at least, to only play one of them at a time, partnered with a more experienced player who can do a lot of talking and help marshall the defence in that channel.

Re: Sick List : Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:58 am  

Dux wrote:

I don't think tackling is really the problem (not with Swift, anyway; Percy does miss the odd simple one-on-one). It's more to do with positioning and communication; they're missing a lot of tackles because they're making bad reads and having to try and make tackles from impossible situations. There are more instances that won't count on the missed tackle list because the misread has been so complete that the attacker hasn't been touched (e.g. Charnley's tries last week). I think the best solution would be, for the time being at least, to only play one of them at a time, partnered with a more experienced player who can do a lot of talking and help marshall the defence in that channel.

I was just about to post something very similar.

It has nothing to do with tackling technique, it's ALL about positioning and communication, as you have said.

The single most frustrating part of watching rugby for me is when wingers come in off the wing to "help" out their centre and leave the winger with a stroll into the corner. It's ridiculous how often this happens at all clubs yet it's really really simple to rectify.

Re: Sick List : Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:32 am  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

I was just about to post something very similar.

It has nothing to do with tackling technique, it's ALL about positioning and communication, as you have said.

The single most frustrating part of watching rugby for me is when wingers come in off the wing to "help" out their centre and leave the winger with a stroll into the corner. It's ridiculous how often this happens at all clubs yet it's really really simple to rectify.

As the great Gordon Tallis said -
"The only reason wingers scores tries is because they're marked by other wingers."

Re: Sick List : Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:11 pm  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

I was just about to post something very similar.

It has nothing to do with tackling technique, it's ALL about positioning and communication, as you have said.

The single most frustrating part of watching rugby for me is when wingers come in off the wing to "help" out their centre and leave the winger with a stroll into the corner. It's ridiculous how often this happens at all clubs yet it's really really simple to rectify.

We seem to be excelling at the minute at this - if our winger marks his opposite number 1 on 1 - then rely on his inside men to 'get there'.
If the centre then strolls in then so be it - it's our centres fault , plus the full back has about 5 yards less ground to cover to help out

Re: Sick List : Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:31 pm  

Dux wrote:

I didn't see the game yesterday, but if the stats and the last few games are anything to go by then I think that we need to break up the Percival/Swift partnership, perhaps bringing McDonnell in.

Would you play McDonnell wing or centre (or just either)?

Re: Sick List : Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:36 pm  

I've just seen swift shoot out the line. Wtf was he doing?

Re: Sick List : Mon Jul 07, 2014 1:45 pm  

Dux wrote:

I don't think tackling is really the problem (not with Swift, anyway; Percy does miss the odd simple one-on-one). It's more to do with positioning and communication; they're missing a lot of tackles because they're making bad reads and having to try and make tackles from impossible situations. There are more instances that won't count on the missed tackle list because the misread has been so complete that the attacker hasn't been touched (e.g. Charnley's tries last week). I think the best solution would be, for the time being at least, to only play one of them at a time, partnered with a more experienced player who can do a lot of talking and help marshall the defence in that channel.

Fully agree with this, its difficult to rectify at the moment because our "backs coach" might not be role playing this scenario.
Dawson is similar to Swift and gets out of position as well, leaving Percival to cover a 2 man play.

Re: Sick List : Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:33 pm  

Rommel wrote:

What does Wheeler have to do to get a game when Lance plays a stinker?

I'm surprised that GW hasn't been blamed for yesterday yet.

Re: Sick List : Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:45 pm  

Does any players need to be rested this week?

Bradford at home and Landan away we should batter them both?

Re: Sick List : Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:45 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Apologies for the misread. I'm already hired out as a salary cap compliance officer though

Brown needs to send a message - even if we disagree on where the required levels of motivation should come from, if Brown lets anyone feel comfortable as an automatic choice, hes doing his job wrong - I cant see how he cant drop players next week...

So for Bradford:

Wellens (with the knowledge McDonnell is now here and breathing down his neck)
Makinson
Turner
Jones
Dawson
Charnock (Wilkin deserves a week off for the penalty not finding touch!)
Hohaia
LMS (good yards but 4 missed tackles put him under pressure)
Roby
Masoe (up his number of runs though)
Soliola (same as lms)
Manu (statistically was probably our mom yesterday)
Thompson

Walmsley
Ghostmont (Got through the last 2 games and has said hes hopeful to get a game)
Laffranchi (Been given the all clear)
Greenwood? Were short on backrowers imo

Wellens
Makinson
Turner
Percival
Swift
Wilkin
Hohaia
Walmsley
Roby
Richards
Manu
Flanagan
Soliola

Bench

Jones
LMS
Thompson
Greenwood