Re: Walmsley charged - Grade C : Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:01 pm  

It was certainly direct contact with the head using his shoulder but it was certainly not what I would consider a shoulder charge to be. They've got that wrong IMO. It might be worth a challenge on a technicality but I doubt you'd get away with it.

Re: Walmsley charged - Grade C : Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:36 pm  

Eastbourne Warrior wrote: It was certainly direct contact with the head using his shoulder but it was certainly not what I would consider a shoulder charge to be. They've got that wrong IMO. It might be worth a challenge on a technicality but I doubt you'd get away with it. http://www.redvee.net/forums/showthread ... 2014/page5 Couple of posts down - initial contact is over the shoulder, and has an arm wrapped around.

Eastbourne Warrior wrote: It was certainly direct contact with the head using his shoulder but it was certainly not what I would consider a shoulder charge to be. They've got that wrong IMO. It might be worth a challenge on a technicality but I doubt you'd get away with it. http://www.redvee.net/forums/showthread ... 2014/page5 Couple of posts down - initial contact is over the shoulder, and has an arm wrapped around.

Re: Walmsley charged - Grade C : Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:03 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

http://www.redvee.net/forums/showthread.php?26009-League-leaders-shield-winners-2014/page5

Couple of posts down - initial contact is over the shoulder, and has an arm wrapped around.

Wrong arm though. If his right arm had been wrapped around then it wouldn't have been a shoulder charge. He used his right shoulder. If you watch the replay in slo mo as Sky showed it, the right arm is behind him following the momentum of his right shoulder. That picture only shows what his left arm is doing, which would be fine if he had gone in with his left shoulder.

Re: Walmsley charged - Grade C : Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:12 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Wrong arm though. If his right arm had been wrapped around then it wouldn't have been a shoulder charge. He used his right shoulder. If you watch the replay in slo mo as Sky showed it, the right arm is behind him following the momentum of his right shoulder. That picture only shows what his left arm is doing, which would be fine if he had gone in with his left shoulder.

Doesn't have to be the impact arm wrapped for it to not be a shoulder charge, just an attempt to wrap the tackler in the tackle. Walmsley's was just a solid hit.

It quite simply isn't a shoulder charge. Reckless, stupid high tackle - yes; shoulder charge - no.

Re: Walmsley charged - Grade C : Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:45 pm  

With that clip it looks as though the hand came in first before the shoulder hits the head.
So technically the charge from the RFL could be wrong, as the ruling says INITIAL direct contact, which in this case the initial contact was by hand, direct contact shoulder.

Re: Walmsley charged - Grade C : Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:15 pm  

This thread is making me laugh. Everyone was up in arms when Moon shoulder charged Percy to the head a few weeks back. Leeds fans were busy justifying their player's foul play. Now here are Saints fans justifying their player's foul play. So funny!

Re: Walmsley charged - Grade C : Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:21 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

This thread is making me laugh. Everyone was up in arms when Moon shoulder charged Percy to the head a few weeks back. Leeds fans were busy justifying their player's foul play. Now here are Saints fans justifying their player's foul play. So funny!

But the two challenges were very different. Surely you can see that?

Walmsley clearly attempted to make a proper tackle with his arms out. Moon didn't.

Re: Walmsley charged - Grade C : Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:23 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

This thread is making me laugh. Everyone was up in arms when Moon shoulder charged Percy to the head a few weeks back. Leeds fans were busy justifying their player's foul play. Now here are Saints fans justifying their player's foul play. So funny!

Nobody's justifying it, just pointing out that it's not a shoulder charge and not as bad as what Moon did.

Re: Walmsley charged - Grade C : Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:26 pm  

Walmsley deserves the same ban as Moon, still wasn't a shoulder charge though.

Re: Walmsley charged - Grade C : Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:41 pm  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

But the two challenges were very different. Surely you can see that?

Walmsley clearly attempted to make a proper tackle with his arms out. Moon didn't.

The thing is though he didn't. His right arm was nowhere near Robinson. Only his left arm comes in after he has already made contact. I watched the match back last night and Sky slowed it all down and zoomed in. I looked out for the arms.