Re: Proud of the lads (and Swift 1 critics... erm... ZERO! : Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:33 pm  

St pete wrote:

I don't think the is a better prop in super league at the moment than walmsley.

He looks a carbon copy of a 28 year old Jamie Peacock, rangy build, terrific work rate, and has a sneaky offload to his game. He's definitely one of the best props in the comp at the moment, only Cuthbertson comes close and he's played as much time at LF as he has at prop (not that there's much difference anymore).

Graham
Walmsley
Hill
G Burgess

They would be the 4 England props at the moment, and I'd have Cuthbertson at 13.

Re: Proud of the lads (and Swift 1 critics... erm... ZERO! : Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:36 pm  

Dawson proved some of the doubters wrong yesterday, very unorthadox in defence, no technique at all but gets the job done. People need to realise that with a salary cap you can't have a squad full of first teamers. Dawson comes in and does a job whenever called upon, nothing brilliant, but nothing horribly bad.

Re: Proud of the lads (and Swift 1 critics... erm... ZERO! : Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:38 pm  

What about the other Burgess Lad??

Re: Proud of the lads (and Swift 1 critics... erm... ZERO! : Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:33 pm  

Apart from a little youthful over exuberance from Richards I couldn't fault anyone. Really toughed it out. Bear in mind that even under the illustrious coaching of Millward and Anderson - far too often Saints chose to meekly capitulate at the first sign of Wigan aggression. Thankfully this side is made of sterner stuff.

As for Swift, I can't deny a certain sense of satisfaction seeing him take the criticisms of the usual band of professional Saints mourners and return them to where the sun doesn't shine.

Look, Wigan had to win yesterday to a) stop Wane's career from going "Strike Three" b) prevent the bottom half of the table from becoming home and c) revenge for OT.

Given the above and us fielding no attack they looked WORSE than OT. On their OWN GROUND. With their OWN REF!

How is that possible?

It's regrettable that injuries thwarted us from a deserved victory. But we can be patient.

Re: Proud of the lads (and Swift 1 critics... erm... ZERO! : Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:35 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

What about the other Burgess Lad??

Walmsley is a better player then Tom Burgess IMO.

Definitely in an England 17 if the game was tomorrow.

Re: Proud of the lads (and Swift 1 critics... erm... ZERO! : Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:55 pm  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

He looks a carbon copy of a 28 year old Jamie Peacock, rangy build, terrific work rate, and has a sneaky offload to his game. He's definitely one of the best props in the comp at the moment, only Cuthbertson comes close and he's played as much time at LF as he has at prop (not that there's much difference anymore).

Graham
Walmsley
Hill
G Burgess

They would be the 4 England props at the moment, and I'd have Cuthbertson at 13.

I'm not convinced on cuthbertson yet. To early to make a proper judgment. I wonder if he can play when it gets tough. Looks more like a ball playing prop that doesn't like the rough and tough.

Re: Proud of the lads (and Swift 1 critics... erm... ZERO! : Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:43 pm  

Cuthbertson should be nowhere the England team for the simple fact that he's not English. Not into all this grandfather clause business at all.

Re: Proud of the lads (and Swift 1 critics... erm... ZERO! : Sat Apr 04, 2015 6:00 pm  

St. Rughead wrote:

Cuthbertson should be nowhere the England team for the simple fact that he's not English. Not into all this grandfather clause business at all.

His dad is from Warrington. Cuthbertson meets the criteria so he should be considered, whether his form warrants selection at the end of the season is another matter.

Re: Proud of the lads (and Swift 1 critics... erm... ZERO! : Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:30 pm  

St. Rughead wrote:

Cuthbertson should be nowhere the England team for the simple fact that he's not English. Not into all this grandfather clause business at all.

Agreed. If he was in the class of Paul Gallen or similar I could understand it but he's been a decent NRL player who is doing well in a competition that is quite as good.

We've got five better props straight away anyway (Graham, Hill, Walmsley and Burgess x2).

Re: Proud of the lads (and Swift 1 critics... erm... ZERO! : Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:17 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Agreed. If he was in the class of Paul Gallen or similar I could understand it but he's been a decent NRL player who is doing well in a competition that is quite as good.

We've got five better props straight away anyway (Graham, Hill, Walmsley and Burgess x2).

We don't have any back rowers as good as him though, which is his primary position.