Re: catalan stats/captain fantastic : Sun May 10, 2015 6:31 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Jon Wilkin has to be the most unfortunate player ever. He's spent the best part of a year pretending to be a half back. He'll had shed weight for that and looks very lean now. He's then been thrown back into the second row with the injuries to Vea and Greenwood and he looks lightweight. He played okay last week but yesterday was pretty poor. It didn't help that Mose and Savelio played so few minutes.

His main problem is being lightweight and it's been that way for years. When was the last time he had a good season in the pack ?

Look at the kids that are 18 these days, they are bigger than Wilkin at that Young age. Wilkin never grew and he's struggled because of this.

I was full of praise the season before last for Wilkin but prior to that he was average at best. He's slowly got worse post 2006 and I beleve it's his lack of size and strength causing this.

He shouldn't play when Vea and greenwood are back. Both are better backrows than him.

Re: catalan stats/captain fantastic : Sun May 10, 2015 6:39 pm  

Dux wrote:

Those stats from Wilkin are absolutely appalling. 36 metres gained from 8 carries. When you factor in 2 penalties and 3 errors that's probably a net loss of around 100 metres. Throw in 8 missed tackles (his contact was terrible all game) and you've got a stinker of epic proportions.

I've been looking forward to seeing him back in the pack, and I think he's played well there a couple of times since Walsh came back, but as things stand he shouldn't be anywhere near the side once Greenwood and Vea are fit.

I've said on Red Vee previously that when everyone is fit we've got a real problem with Wilkin. Making him Captain makes him pretty much undroppable but in reality Vea and Greenwood start as our back rowers and LMS should play at loose. Thompson / Savelio would then be the back row option from the bench, which for me leaves Wilkin as 18th man.

It won't happen and he'll start but we have better options and having Wilkin start when all are fit will hinder us.

He's been a great servant for Saints over the years but he's on the downward curve now whilst some of our other options are getting better.

Re: catalan stats/captain fantastic : Sun May 10, 2015 6:53 pm  

Walsh isn't in the team to take the ball up and make yards. Criticism of him for that is misguided at best, idiotic at worst.

Re: catalan stats/captain fantastic : Sun May 10, 2015 9:36 pm  

Seems Wilkin won't have any trouble at all getting in the team for the next couple of months. People on twitter saying Luke Walsh is in for an ankle operation tomorrow and will be out for 6 weeks.

Not the best news, but to be fair to Wilkin, he'll move to 7 without any complaining and put his reputation on the block again. It's not fair on him, but he'll spend another couple of months taking one for the team. I can see a few defeats coming, things aren't going great.

Re: catalan stats/captain fantastic : Sun May 10, 2015 11:03 pm  

St pete wrote:

I was laughed at when I said our defence is very poor after a couple of games but when your winning the blind posters on here can only see the positives.

Do you stand in a field, frightening off crows? You are, without doubt, the WORST straw man debater I've ever seen on this site. And believe me - I've seen them ALL.

You CONSTANTLY take other people's arguments and then twist them to suit whatever purpose suits (I'm still waiting for you to show me the quotes in which I said we have the "best pack in the world", "greatest team in SL ever" etc. etc.). In this case you're cranking up the self-pity because "blind posters" couldn't see what ONLY YOU could and then cruelly made fun of you.

What you DON'T MENTION is the fact that after five games we had the BEST DEFENCE IN THE LEAGUE. Now, perhaps one game isn't a good starting point for drawing representative conclusions from the defensive stats. But FIVE GAMES is certainly a big enough data set. Perhaps next time you might mention this fact before damning everyone else in this forum.

I hereby name you - Worzel Gummidge.

Re: catalan stats/captain fantastic : Mon May 11, 2015 5:56 am  

McClennan wrote:

Walsh isn't in the team to take the ball up and make yards. Criticism of him for that is misguided at best, idiotic at worst.

no, and he's not there as a tackling machine either, but 1 solitary tackle in 80 mins on the pitch?

Re: catalan stats/captain fantastic : Mon May 11, 2015 7:06 am  

Mugwump wrote:

Do you stand in a field, frightening off crows? You are, without doubt, the WORST straw man debater I've ever seen on this site. And believe me - I've seen them ALL.

You CONSTANTLY take other people's arguments and then twist them to suit whatever purpose suits (I'm still waiting for you to show me the quotes in which I said we have the "best pack in the world", "greatest team in SL ever" etc. etc.). In this case you're cranking up the self-pity because "blind posters" couldn't see what ONLY YOU could and then cruelly made fun of you.

What you DON'T MENTION is the fact that after five games we had the BEST DEFENCE IN THE LEAGUE. Now, perhaps one game isn't a good starting point for drawing representative conclusions from the defensive stats. But FIVE GAMES is certainly a big enough data set. Perhaps next time you might mention this fact before damning everyone else in this forum.

I hereby name you - Worzel Gummidge.

I don't know what all that means but I'm guessing your obsession with me is still raging

Re: catalan stats/captain fantastic : Mon May 11, 2015 8:43 am  

Mugwump wrote:

Do you stand in a field, frightening off crows? You are, without doubt, the WORST straw man debater I've ever seen on this site. And believe me - I've seen them ALL.

You CONSTANTLY take other people's arguments and then twist them to suit whatever purpose suits (I'm still waiting for you to show me the quotes in which I said we have the "best pack in the world", "greatest team in SL ever" etc. etc.). In this case you're cranking up the self-pity because "blind posters" couldn't see what ONLY YOU could and then cruelly made fun of you.

What you DON'T MENTION is the fact that after five games we had the BEST DEFENCE IN THE LEAGUE. Now, perhaps one game isn't a good starting point for drawing representative conclusions from the defensive stats. But FIVE GAMES is certainly a big enough data set. Perhaps next time you might mention this fact before damning everyone else in this forum.

I hereby name you - Worzel Gummidge.

Selective Memory Syndrome, something common in Saints fans.

Those first five games were against teams that currently occupy places in the bottom seven of the league table (including the bottom three) Something you didn't mention.

Re: catalan stats/captain fantastic : Mon May 11, 2015 1:38 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Selective Memory Syndrome, something common in Saints fans.

Those first five games were against teams that currently occupy places in the bottom seven of the league table (including the bottom three) Something you didn't mention.

Yes, but at the time Catalan were expected to do well this year, as were Salford (again) and Cas had just come off a great year and our defence at the time was punishing oppostion players. Hindsight is great

Re: catalan stats/captain fantastic : Mon May 11, 2015 8:35 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

no, and he's not there as a tackling machine either, but 1 solitary tackle in 80 mins on the pitch?

He didn't make only one tackle. I watched him make three on the tryline and very good they were too. I would imagine he was struggling in the second half, given what we now know about his ankle surgery, and so didn't tackle as he moved to the other side of the field.