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: Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:33 pm  
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You can coach a player how to catch bombs, and tackle, but you cant coach them to run 100 metres in under 11 seconds.


And all the coaching in the world couldn't have turned Steve Prescott into Paul Wellens.

He just wasn't big enough.
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: Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:30 pm  
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And all the coaching in the world couldn't have turned Steve Prescott into Paul Wellens.

He just wasn't big enough.


Again this is the British mentality coming in. If playing in Australia, Prescott would have been lauded for his offensive skills.
In Britain we slag him off because he cant stop Neil Cowie from five yards out.
The aussies dont expect their fullbacks to do that. They expect the players in the main defensive line from preventing such a situation happening.

The British fullback mentality is one that comes from Soccer culture where the Goalkeeper is a key component in a sides success. The ability to stop shots and organise defence is at the core skill of a goalkeeprs job. Its no coincidence in soccer that the teams with the best keepers generally win trophys.
We therefore translate those requirements in RL so that we look at the fullback as the last line of defence who has to make the key tackles and organise the defensive line.
There is also the fact that English teams are often poorly coached so when breaks are made they are often unsupported by their colleagues.


In Australia without its soccer culture they have learned that the fullback is the primary strike weapon. They appreciate the requirement for a layered approach to defence, but know that due to the quality of sides, that its more important for the primary defensive line to be strong, than the fullback be able to make a last ditch tackle 100% of the time.
Its rare in Australia for unsupported breaks to be made. If a player breaks the defensive line its try time, as a player will know that he has players in support and merely has to draw the fullback and hand the ball off.
Even if the fullback manages to effect the tackle from a break, the offensive team will have broken the defensive structure to such an extent that its almost inevitable in the next play that a try will be scored.
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: Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:35 pm  
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The aussies dont expect their fullbacks to do that. They expect the players in the main defensive line from preventing such a situation happening.

Well, thank goodness we happen to be living in the UK then! :wink:
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: Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:38 am  
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Again this is the British mentality coming in. If playing in Australia, Prescott would have been lauded for his offensive skills.
In Britain we slag him off because he cant stop Neil Cowie from five yards out.


This is pure revisionism. If Neil Cowie five yards out on the hoof was the limit of Prescott's tackling abilities things wouldn't have been too bad.

The truth was Prescott often struggled to stop players two thirds the mass at much greater distance.

Remember the hand-off Shaun Edwards floored him with on his way to the line at Knowsley Road?
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Lomax : Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:02 am  
View from a wakey supporter!

Granted he was playing behind a totally dominant pack (with KC running the show) and granted he made a howler.....but i thought he looked a really hot prospect and you guys have done well to produce another talent....full marks to the coaching set up at Saints

Some of the posts on here have knocked the lad, i'd have to say you must be getting a bit spoilt as i imagine playing your first SL game is pretty daunting and he did very well....

Most of the guys around me refused to believe he was having his first game and ended up convincing me that he was an aussie!
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: Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:16 am  
I can't believe some are knocking a kid who has just played his first Superleague game after having almost three years of Hell with injuries.

Yes he is only slightly built now, but give him two off seasons to work on his strength and conditioning. Look at Sam Tomkins, he's doing o.k.

He's still only 18 years of age.

Give the lad a break.
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: Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:21 am  
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I can't believe some are knocking a kid who has just played his first Superleague game after having almost three years of Hell with injuries.
I know either he or Wheeler had had a lot of trouble with his back. Is that what you're referring to?
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: Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:22 am  
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I know either he or Wheeler had had a lot of trouble with his back. Is that what you're referring to?


Wheeler has had trouble with his back. Lomax has just come back from a knee reconstruction.
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: Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:01 pm  
The stats in League express for him are extremely impressive for a debut

Over 130 metres going forward.
6 tackles made ZERO misses (for Mugwump worried about his ability to tackle)
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: Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:39 pm  
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Wheeler has had trouble with his back. Lomax has just come back from a knee reconstruction.


There's an article in the league express on Lomax's injury (page 3). He got a blood clot on the brain after a clash of heads in a school match. I think he's lucky to be alive never mind making his saints debut. It says in the article that he's got 3 plates in his head. Therefore, the need for the headgear.

I thought it was a very good debut by the lad. He didn't look at all out of place for his very first senior match.
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