Re: Leeds game : Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:17 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Were you thinking this a handful of games ago when when we were unbeaten? No.

Basically what you're saying is you've lost all your confidence because we've not remained unbeaten whilst suffering a massive injury load? Talk about fickle!

We adapted - at the END OF THE SEASON with a full compliment of forwards. We certainly didn't look anything like title contenders at the mid point of the season.

Personally I feel pretty good. At NO POINT have we thrown the towel in this season. Aside from tonight (& the WCC which I don't really count) where we allowed the game to get away from us we've shown up BIG TIME in every game. Against Wigan when we had no half backs we could easily have folded. Against Hull KR we went down whilst dominating possession. Against Hull we made some silly mistakes - but the lads kept trying.

Consider Warrington's recent performances. Consider Wigan's absolute PASTING at the hands of god-awful Salford.

And you don't think we can "turn it around"? Let's wait and see what everyone else gets up to over the next five matches. If you think the likes of Warrington or Wigan are suddenly problem free you are seriously mistaken. And as I've said, Leeds gain nothing whatsoever from a giant advantage at this point of the year. How many times have we seen teams fall apart with a similar record in SLs previous?

No when we were 6 for 6 I wasn't doubting - because plan A was working and there was no need to change the plan. We're now 1 from 4 and it's not fickle to say that our inability to change from plan A is a source of major concern. Our game plan for the last few games needed to be different from the first couple in the season and it hasn't.

We realistically don't have that major an injury list - were missing 4 realistically, and a couple of back up options - the options we did have didn't play well - that's the much bigger concern here. You can't just blithely hope for no injuries, as every club gets them every year.

While we may not of thrown the towel in like last year, we always came back with a response - I would equate tonight with similar to magic weekend - after the game Wellens made his speech, and there was a general recognition with what was wrong - the same doesn't appear to happen this year,

I don't care if other teams are in poor form. Yes it'll contribute to us staying up there in the recent future, I'd rather worry about our own form...

Re: Leeds game : Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:17 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

You only have to look at the above answers.

Leeds could've been portrayed in the previous years as relaying on 3/4 key players to always get them through games but this year is very different. Across the board players are standing up as has been shown with losing three players like Hall, Briscoe and JJB (the latter two had really strong starts to the season).

The old theory that all relied on Peacock/Sinfield/Burrow/McGuire to drag us through has well and truely gone and if you still think that (especially after tonight) then you need to take a closer look. It's 2015 not 2014.....you need to realise that.

I'm not talking about any other position than prop. And no player in the Leeds side performs Peacock's function to anything like the same degree.

But I'm happy to wait until next season to be proven right.

Re: Leeds game : Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:19 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

More tripe.

You're embarrassing yourself more with every post.

Carry on

I know what he's saying. Even though Peacock is significantly past his best he's still a massive presence on the field and he's a superb leader. He's like a Northern Martin Johnson, even now he'd a huge loss for any side - for his mental approach as much as anything.

Re: Leeds game : Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:26 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

No when we were 6 for 6 I wasn't doubting - because plan A was working and there was no need to change the plan. We're now 1 from 4 and it's not fickle to say that our inability to change from plan A is a source of major concern. Our game plan for the last few games needed to be different from the first couple in the season and it hasn't.

We realistically don't have that major an injury list - were missing 4 realistically, and a couple of back up options - the options we did have didn't play well - that's the much bigger concern here. You can't just blithely hope for no injuries, as every club gets them every year.

While we may not of thrown the towel in like last year, we always came back with a response - I would equate tonight with similar to magic weekend - after the game Wellens made his speech, and there was a general recognition with what was wrong - the same doesn't appear to happen this year,

I don't care if other teams are in poor form. Yes it'll contribute to us staying up there in the recent future, I'd rather worry about our own form...

We are a little more worse off than you think cause it is actually 1 win in the last 5 now but the consoling thing is that we are still second in the league and only need to finish top 2 to get maximum advantage in getting to old trafford.

Re: Leeds game : Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:28 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

No when we were 6 for 6 I wasn't doubting - because plan A was working and there was no need to change the plan. We're now 1 from 4 and it's not fickle to say that our inability to change from plan A is a source of major concern. Our game plan for the last few games needed to be different from the first couple in the season and it hasn't.

We realistically don't have that major an injury list - were missing 4 realistically, and a couple of back up options - the options we did have didn't play well - that's the much bigger concern here. You can't just blithely hope for no injuries, as every club gets them every year.

That's rubbish and you know it. Lomax, Vea, Greenwood, Percy, Wellens are all injured. Even their replacements are injured (Dawson). Roby has been playing crocked for weeks and looked practically dead on his feet last night. Wilkin has only just returned. Luke Walsh has just come back from major surgery. His half-back partner has only been at the club for a handful of games.

Do I really need to paint this picture for you?

While we may not of thrown the towel in like last year, we always came back with a response - I would equate tonight with similar to magic weekend - after the game Wellens made his speech, and there was a general recognition with what was wrong - the same doesn't appear to happen this year

Sticky patches are not solely a result of bad coaching, inferior players etc. Indeed, they are a STATISTICAL CERTAINTY. Did you really expect us to go from six out of six to nine or ten out of six missing the players we have. If so you're living in fantasy land.

I don't care if other teams are in poor form. Yes it'll contribute to us staying up there in the recent future, I'd rather worry about our own form...

You SHOULD be happy about us never throwing the towel in. How many Saints's sides can you honestly say the same about - even during our halcyon days under Millward and even Anderson?

Provided the lads are giving everything I'm happy. Let's wait for the injured players to settle down and allow Burns and Walsh to get some games under the belts.

Providing we have no injuries I'm confident it'll be a second title in a row. Trust your uncle, Geoff.

Re: Leeds game : Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:33 pm  

tony1983 wrote:

:lol:

You are desperately clutching at straws regarding our squad management. JP is retiring at the end of the season. Leeds have already spelled him more than ever this season. We love him, but our succession planning is top notch, and our whole team will not just capitulate next season, no matter how much you want it to.

Well, we'd best just hand you the title right now. There's really no point in the rest of SL turning up. Have you considered re-mortgaging your house and putting it on a Leeds title?

I'm sure you'll make a killing.

Re: Leeds game : Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:45 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Well, we'd best just hand you the title right now. There's really no point in the rest of SL turning up. Have you considered re-mortgaging your house and putting it on a Leeds title?

I'm sure you'll make a killing.

So we either win the title next season, or Peacock retiring has heavily weakened us? No middle ground then?

If JP stays injury free, the title must be ours this season then based on that retarded logic.

I sense you are a bit of a WUM so I am going to bow out. Night.

Re: Leeds game : Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:49 pm  

Anyhoo - I can only take so much doom, despair and doubt.

It's like the final days of Jonestown in here right now. Time for me to flee the camp before you all start guzzling the Kool-aid.

Re: Leeds game : Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:59 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

He's probably in the top 3 this year along with Aiton and Stevie Ward. With Watkins and McGuire adding to a top 5. No Peacock there.

I must say, I was very impressed by Stevie Ward tonight. He's a tough little bugger.

Re: Leeds game : Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:43 am  

useless
ˈjuːsləs/
adjective
not fulfilling or not expected to achieve the intended purpose or desired outcome.
"a piece of useless knowledge"
incompetent, ineffective, worthless, ineffectual, incapable, inept, inadequate, hopeless, weak, bad, no good, Mose Masoe.

Please stop defending this lad. Clare Balding could run it in harder and more often. You've got Jamie Peacock, 37 years old, showing Mose up for the lazy, waste of bench space that he is.

I can tolerate being outclassed (which we was), but I can't be doing with lack of effort. As soon as he starts putting a shift in I'll stop calling him. Forget about injuries, we're playing with 16 players every single week.

I'm gutted about the defeat, but as soon as I saw our back line I knew we were in for a tough night. Makinson should be on the wing, makes no sense to weaken two positions instead of one. Stick an academy kid at full back and let him learn the ropes. Wane isn't afraid to chuck the kids in.

Anyway, fine margins tonight. There's a lot of improvement in us and I'm sure we'll be just fine.