Re: A question about ade gardener : Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:30 pm  

I've always stuck up for Ade, however I don't think we can justify offering him a new contract. With Swift, Tommy Mak, Percival and now Dawson - he's no longer a shoe-in for a start. And I would imagine he earns a lot more than the players who are ahead of him.

Thanks for over a decade of service Ade - but I think a move away is best for both parties.

Re: A question about ade gardener : Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:28 pm  

Our contract situation at saints does confuse me.

Why do we persist with the likes of Wellens and Laffranchi (when they probably will be here next season) but then get rid of Gardner? I don't understand the difference between those two situations and the opposite outcomes.

I'm not overstating Gardner's ability here, I just think he's as useful in his position as the two players referred to above are to their positions.

Why do we seem to have a different policy for different players? If anything, we have far more cover at prop/second row (laffranchi) and have more options at FB (Wellens) than we do have on the wing.

Re: A question about ade gardener : Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:55 pm  

Albion wrote:

Our contract situation at saints does confuse me.

Why do we persist with the likes of Wellens and Laffranchi (when they probably will be here next season) but then get rid of Gardner? I don't understand the difference between those two situations and the opposite outcomes.

I'm not overstating Gardner's ability here, I just think he's as useful in his position as the two players referred to above are to their positions.

Why do we seem to have a different policy for different players? If anything, we have far more cover at prop/second row (laffranchi) and have more options at FB (Wellens) than we do have on the wing.

I'd guess at 2 things. At their peak, both players where a class above Gardner and now can cover a number of positions, Gardner can play wing.

Re: A question about ade gardener : Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:04 am  

Also, Boof (captain at the Titans when we signed him) and Wello have leadership qualities which Ade probably doesn't. Ade does tend to be injured for half of each season, as well.

Re: A question about ade gardener : Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:46 pm  

Dux wrote:

Also, Boof (captain at the Titans when we signed him) and Wello have leadership qualities which Ade probably doesn't. Ade does tend to be injured for half of each season, as well.

I see the leadership point re: Wellens but not Laffranchi. From an objective POV he does not come across as a talker or someone who would take the lead.

Re: A question about ade gardener : Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:51 pm  

Albion wrote:

I see the leadership point re: Wellens but not Laffranchi. From an objective POV he does not come across as a talker or someone who would take the lead.

Is wello a good leader with his little hissy fits and throwing his hands in the air all time? IMO wello isn't a great leader.

We've not had a leader since Jammer left.

Re: A question about ade gardener : Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:52 pm  

Albion wrote:

I see the leadership point re: Wellens but not Laffranchi. From an objective POV he does not come across as a talker or someone who would take the lead.

Apparently he's very good at that in training and with the younger players too

Re: A question about ade gardener : Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:00 pm  

Albion wrote:

I see the leadership point re: Wellens but not Laffranchi. From an objective POV he does not come across as a talker or someone who would take the lead.

He doesn't seem all that vocal, no. But like I said, he was skipper at the Titans and is apparently walking into a coaching role there once he returns, so there must be something about him that other players respond to.

Re: A question about ade gardener : Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:03 pm  

St pete wrote:

Is wello a good leader with his little hissy fits and throwing his hands in the air all time? IMO wello isn't a great leader.

We've not had a leader since Jammer left.

I agree. Obviously I can't comment on what he like in the changing room/on the training field but on a match day he certainly doesn't come across like a leader and he doesn't set good examples to the younger players. He acts like a petulant child when things aren't going his way and it has gone worse as he has got older.

Re: A question about ade gardener : Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:27 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

Apparently he's very good at that in training and with the younger players too

Wello?

Teaching them aeroplane impressions?