Re: woefull! : Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:01 pm  

meast wrote:

luck in the sense that certainly 2,possibly 3 of your tries were very fortunate tries rather than well worked defence splitting tries

A professional team knows before it enters the field that luck could work against them. It's infuriating, sure. But if you can't overcome luck as a factor then you really have no excuses.

Re: woefull! : Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:04 pm  

i'm not offering excuses, i accept that we blew our chances to win the game and that you took yours, added to with that luck that every team needs

Re: woefull! : Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:11 pm  

meast wrote:

i'm not offering excuses, i accept that we blew our chances to win the game and that you took yours, added to with that luck that every team needs

We've had tons of rotten luck all season so I'm not going to pass up the odd gift. I've never seen a season in which we've conceded so many bizarre long-distance tries after the ball has bounced cleanly into the opposition winger's hands with no one in front of him.

Re: woefull! : Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:38 pm  

Luck is mythical...a coin doesn't flip itself. Ok, there's no skill required in flipping a coin but a try depends on how well the attacking team executes a play and how well the defending team stops it happening.

If Roby does a grubber kick for example that bounces off a defenders legs directly into the hands of Quinlan, then that's not luck, that's quality of execution by the attacking team.

Blaming things that happen on the pitch on luck is lazy.

Re: woefull! : Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:56 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

We've had tons of rotten luck all season so I'm not going to pass up the odd gift. I've never seen a season in which we've conceded so many bizarre long-distance tries after the ball has bounced cleanly into the opposition winger's hands with no one in front of him.

exactly, i'm not begrudging the fact that you were fortunate in scoring at least 14 points that were just pure strokes of luck, we all have a bit of luck at some point during the season, but not usually that much

Re: woefull! : Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:23 pm  

Twentyman wrote:

If Roby does a grubber kick for example that bounces off a defenders legs directly into the hands of Quinlan, then that's not luck, that's quality of execution by the attacking team.

The last bounce is luck, maybe, but the team has got itself into the field position, ROby has been able to put in a kick he's know will be hard to deal with and Quinlan has been Johnny on the spot when the opportunity arrives.
As you say, blaming luck is lazy.

Re: woefull! : Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:26 pm  

The amount of times I've been told we've won something or beaten someone through luck.......

It's all rubbish. Just something for lesser sides and clubs to hold on to, to try and convince themselves they mean something. Saints don't particularly give a poop; nor do the fans. You don't become a club such as our own without incredible hard work, skill and ability in all facets. When you work that hard and refine those characteristics, you're usually in games. Saints win most of them. Get over it.

Now you've had your little cup final, you can complain all you like about 'luck' and whatever else you want to use to justify another defeat at the hands of a real big club. Be our guests. We'll roll on to another week, another semi final, another final, another top spot, another 2nd spot, another trophy etc etc. More complaints from some far flung Yorkshire provincial backwater after another loss at our hands are something we are very used to. After every defeat, there's some excuse. You keep them and enjoy them. Big clubs don't really need them. That's why we're where we are and you're where you are.

Re: woefull! : Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:23 pm  

The bigger concern if I was a Giants fan would be Saints were woeful & had Wilkin, Vea, Makinson, Lomax, McDonnell & Thompson out injured & still found a way to win the game.
Champion teams do that.