Re: Cunningham must go : Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:55 am  

Daryl Powell was far from a disaster at Leeds. He took over a mess after Dean Lance and gave kids a chance which started a period of success. He led those kids to 2nd in league,a cup final and to 80 mins from a grand final.

He wouldnt leave Cas for Saints tho so all irrelevent.

You guys are stuck like my Leeds team was last yr. You are a great club tho and will come thru it but its a tough period to go thru and im not sure where your next win is coming from. You will be fine though.

Re: Cunningham must go : Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:43 am  

St pete wrote:

[url][/url]Your missing the point. I personally would have got rid of him after last season even though we was 80 mins from grand final and had something like won 12 out of last 13 games. I would have sacked him on the basis of the style of play because at times was some of the worst rugby I've ever seen from saints team but Mcmanus stuck with him. He's just signed on 5 players and give the lads a full pre season and imo it's madness just to throw the last 3 month of pre season based on this year, we have no option but to give him more time this season.

If we bring in a new coach now, he might not want the new players, the pre season a waste of time and effort so let's give him until mid season and see where we at and not be silly by sacking a coach 4 games Into new season.

No I am not, and what you are suggesting is folly - do you really think we can wait for an empty ground because I'm telling you, when that happens (and it will) the business can NEVER recover from it - end of. This is a commercial and results business, end of, no fog no fudge just black and white and that's it. There's no room for 'let's see how it goes' and someone as shrewd as McManus will be/should be looking at the overall picture and assessing this:

'How much confidence do I have in this guy to deliver'?

In doing that he can't ignore the fact that KC's overall record is woeful - that should be the determinant of whether he stays or goes and he's hardly got a compelling argument to stay has he? Eamonn has backed the guy, he isn't delivering and no amount of 'see how it goes' will change it because he simply isn't coach material. Without being a smart alec I said that the day he was appointed (and I think you did too) - delaying the inevitable will only cause further damage, not make things better Pete. Sometimes you just gotta do it.

Re: Cunningham must go : Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:30 pm  

Allez wrote:

No I am not, and what you are suggesting is folly - do you really think we can wait for an empty ground because I'm telling you, when that happens (and it will) the business can NEVER recover from it - end of. This is a commercial and results business, end of, no fog no fudge just black and white and that's it. There's no room for 'let's see how it goes' and someone as shrewd as McManus will be/should be looking at the overall picture and assessing this:

'How much confidence do I have in this guy to deliver'?

In doing that he can't ignore the fact that KC's overall record is woeful - that should be the determinant of whether he stays or goes and he's hardly got a compelling argument to stay has he? Eamonn has backed the guy, he isn't delivering and no amount of 'see how it goes' will change it because he simply isn't coach material. Without being a smart alec I said that the day he was appointed (and I think you did too) - delaying the inevitable will only cause further damage, not make things better Pete. Sometimes you just gotta do it.

I'm going to disagree. We should have got shut last year but we didn't. We now have to give him time to see if he can turn it around as you can't sack a man who the club thought was right for the job 3 games ago.

Re: Cunningham must go : Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:33 pm  

St pete wrote:

I'm going to disagree. We should have got shut last year but we didn't. We now have to give him time to see if he can turn it around as you can't sack a man who the club thought was right for the job 3 games ago.

We are on a very "tricky wicket" at the moment, can we afford to wait for a turnaround, come Easter we could be staring at 9 losses which was our whole season loss last year before the eights. There is not much confidence that dramatic changes can be made from a stubborn man hell bent on his style of coaching at all cost to player and supporter.
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If we do end up with the worse scenario at Easter we are probably looking at avoiding the middle 8's, this conservative style of play can't go on we've not had our injury crisis yet, once that kicks in we will really start to struggle especially if it effects our back line.
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Personally I would give him the Catalan and Warrington game if he fails then we quickly need a new coach and time to change things around.

Re: Cunningham must go : Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:48 pm  

FWIW, even as a Wiganer I feel for Cunningham. He was a great player for you and may have become a great coach. He was simply imo given the job at least 5 years early. The majority if not all good coaches have learnt their trade by coaching at youth, reserves and assistant level for a number of years before getting the top job.

It's very rare a young inexperienced player comes into a team and performs consistently straight away, a coach is no different.

Re: Cunningham must go : Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:12 pm  

I thought Cunningham's comments after the game on sky strange saying he was very pleased with his players, they didn't complete sets the end of sets where poor far too many unforced errors and poor discipline but he was very pleased with the performance if that's the standard he's happy with then you will be in the lower end of the table this year sometimes your poor like we where but you grind a win out but there's poor and poor you are never happy with it

Re: Cunningham must go : Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:17 am  

Daryl Powell was not a success at Leeds - hence leaving. Not his fault, as he was thrown in at the deep end in an emergency, and its great to see that after actually learning his trade he's now seemingly a very good coach.

TBH you could blame the club for appointing Cunningham without experience, but how big is his ego in taking it on with no experience? Why is it so hard to accept that he should have gone and coached juniors or even better in the Championship for a few years?

Re: Cunningham must go : Tue Mar 14, 2017 7:54 am  

Even if we start playing better when Smith comes back are we happy to be a club that is utterly reliant on one player? Wnot this just lead to clubs targeting Smith constantly?

Re: Cunningham must go : Tue Mar 14, 2017 7:57 am  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

TBH you could blame the club for appointing Cunningham without experience, but how big is his ego in taking it on with no experience? Why is it so hard to accept that he should have gone and coached juniors or even better in the Championship for a few years?

It can't be easy to turn down your dream job and say I'm not good enough though can it? Has anyone on here ever turned down their dream job and given that as the reason?

Re: Cunningham must go : Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:46 pm  

Champion of young british half-backs, Garry Schofield slam Super League coaches for dropping Patton & Danny Richardson. http://www.totalrl.com/schofield-blasts ... halfbacks/

Champion of young british half-backs, Garry Schofield slam Super League coaches for dropping Patton & Danny Richardson. http://www.totalrl.com/schofield-blasts ... halfbacks/