Re: Jamie foster : Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:21 pm  

LeightonP wrote:

Given the way things are going that's a bit brave, isn't it?

We beat Widnes, and that was when they had their rather good halfback playing too. Widnes had a raft of first choice players injured for that match against Wigan but they still won!

Nope. Not brave. We have won games this season you know! We're just having a bit of a crisis at the moment. Can't be Saints these days and not have a bit of a crisis.

Re: Jamie foster : Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:05 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

We beat Widnes, and that was when they had their rather good halfback playing too. Widnes had a raft of first choice players injured for that match against Wigan but they still won!

It's not like Wigan put out a full first-choice side though, is it? And Saints aren't in a position to at the moment, either. Underestimating Widnes was arguably what brought Wigan down...

SaintsFan wrote:

Nope. Not brave. We have won games this season you know!

Aye - against London, and then Salford. And, TBF, the games you've lost have been close ones, on the scoreboard.

SaintsFan wrote:

We're just having a bit of a crisis at the moment. Can't be Saints these days and not have a bit of a crisis.

I wonder if great teams have to be cyclical - that it's not possible to be on top indefinitely. The decline of Wigan in the 90s after a successful period of around 10 years was accompanied by the rise of Bradford and Saints, who've had a successful period of... around 10 years. We've had Leeds overlapping with that - particularly as Bradford have declined - and now Warrington and Wigan are on the rise again. Maybe there's something about the structure of a club, maybe in the development of youth players and the timing of their introduction to the first team, that gets disrupted when you've got a successful, settled team, and a certain level of pressure and expectation of continued success from fans and the directors?

Re: Jamie foster : Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:21 am  

The bigger issue is that Saints haven't won a trophy since Long, Sculthorpe and Cunningham were at the club. As great as Roby and Graham are, they never led you to the promised land. Saints are far too weak at those key positions. Lomax is good but will never be a Long, Roby isn't a patch on Cunningham and Wilkin hasn't taken the next step as the class, game breaking backrower that Scully was.

Re: Jamie foster : Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:43 am  

Tar Heel wrote:

The bigger issue is that Saints haven't won a trophy since Long, Sculthorpe and Cunningham were at the club. As great as Roby and Graham are, they never led you to the promised land. Saints are far too weak at those key positions. Lomax is good but will never be a Long, Roby isn't a patch on Cunningham and Wilkin hasn't taken the next step as the class, game breaking backrower that Scully was.

I thought its only us (wigan) who revert to the past
I must admit i'm loving this saints decline i just wish that i had the time to trawl through all the posts from previous years that ridiculed us and really shove them in your face. BTW whats it like being a mid table club? Thats one that i remember

Re: Jamie foster : Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:20 am  

Foster isn't good enough. The effort is there but the quality isn't and his confidence is completely shot right now. He needs to go back in the reserves and build up his confidence again.

Re: Jamie foster : Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:39 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

We beat Widnes, and that was when they had their rather good halfback playing too. Widnes had a raft of first choice players injured for that match against Wigan but they still won!

Nope. Not brave. We have won games this season you know! We're just having a bit of a crisis at the moment. Can't be Saints these days and not have a bit of a crisis.

I think your choosing to forget we rested Sam, Paddy, Tommy, Farrell and Lockers which in the end proved costly.. but hey ho get over it - we already have.

Re: Jamie foster : Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:45 am  

The poor Lad is even starting to miss kicks he made for fun last year. I've gone from getting on his back to just sympathising with him as everything he tries to do is just going wrong right now. He'll never be a world beater, but he can be as good as Ade and he's had a decent career but that relied on world class centres

Re: Jamie foster : Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:54 am  

not sure that dropping a guy to the u20's will help build his confidence.

Re: Jamie foster : Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:56 am  

pk wrote:

not sure that dropping a guy to the u20's will help build his confidence.

a few trys and less pressure cant hurt him for a while, he needs time to assess his game

Re: Jamie foster : Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:58 am  

Foster = Ste Tyrer not good enough for Superleague