: Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:57 am  

Longun wrote:

No sour grapes on here then :):):):):)

I think most of us accept that HKR deserved the win. Saints were very poor with the ball in hand and must improve, esepcially when Leeds come to town in three weeks.

But as someone who went to the game, the referee was awful. He gave some really tough calls against Saints that ultimately ended up tries. We also had a try disallowed and I have no idea why. It would've been an outstanding try aswell. He just isn't good enough for SL and spoiled a good contest with some controversial calls.

General Zod. wrote:

Totally agree. Though they are nowhere near the class of the Leeds youngsters IMO....

I think they're fairly even overall. Watkins looks a class act, but the others are around the same level as ours. Eastmond is the best of our young contingent and looks a very good player.

: Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:58 am  

Smith didn't have the best of games but then again, when a team does lose, when does a ref have a good game?

We missed Pryce, people say he goes missing, but once he's not playing, you realise how much we miss him.

Hull KR played well last night and they deserved their win. The first 4 times we had the ball we lost it 3 times and the other time we kicked from inside our own 20.

I'd rather us lose games now, rather than at the end of the season.

: Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:45 am  

I agree that Hull KR deserved there win and you cannot take anything away from their team.

My issue is with Ian Smith all the games he,s reffed with us last season and this season so far. As Daniel Anderson highlighted last season he's not up to the job, his decision making and general officiating of the game is way below any of the other refs.
What annoys me most is that alright we can accept a referee having a bad game if bad decisions are evened out between the two teams.

But in Ian Smith he always seems to ref us away from our normal game, its too much of a coincidence that in our last 6 games with him our team performance is always below average and our current success rate is 1 in 3 so far.

: Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:46 am  

Have to say well done to KR last night, however Ian Smith like has already been said is a T**t, so are half the posters from hull that are on here at the mo. Lets see who finishes higher eh lads?

: Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:54 pm  

General Zod. wrote:

Totally agree. Though they are nowhere near the class of the Leeds youngsters IMO....

Really?

Who have Leeds got that is so much kop? Didnt see them in either of the GF's last year.

Come on, enlighten us.

: Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:13 pm  

eddiewaringsflatcap wrote:

Really?

Who have Leeds got that is so much kop? Didnt see them in either of the GF's last year.

Come on, enlighten us.

Watkins, Hall, Gibson, Smith, Allen to name but a few.

The harsh reality is that when Cunningham, Gidley and Long retire I think you'll find yourselves drifting behind Leeds.

Not that I think that's anyone's fault as such as St Helens is a small town with a relatively small catchment area where as Leeds is a city of some 700,000 people and as the coming seasons go by, club's success will depend on bring quality youngsters and the big city clubs such as Leeds, Hull FC & Hull KR have far bigger player pools to tap into and will therefore be more successful in the long term.

Being a Hull KR fan it makes no odds to me, just calling it as I see it and I see your squad running into problems (in terms of continuing to win silverware) in the coming seasons for the reasons I have stated above.

: Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:24 pm  

Smith was not that bad. He can only call what he sees, he doesn't make things up.

We were terrible for the most part. Smith gave a few contentious decisions to Hull KR, as happens every game. Hull KR did enough to win, and fully deserved to.

What cost us was not Smith, it was Longy runnung around like a headless chicken on the last tackle when he should have set-us up for a drop goal.


Congratulations to Hull, they fully deserved it.

: Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:51 pm  

Blobbynator wrote:

I think most of us accept that HKR deserved the win. Saints were very poor with the ball in hand and must improve, esepcially when Leeds come to town in three weeks.

But as someone who went to the game, the referee was awful. He gave some really tough calls against Saints that ultimately ended up tries. We also had a try disallowed and I have no idea why. It would've been an outstanding try aswell. He just isn't good enough for SL and spoiled a good contest with some controversial calls.



I think they're fairly even overall. Watkins looks a class act, but the others are around the same level as ours. Eastmond is the best of our young contingent and looks a very good player.

On our second half performance with a LOT of tough calls against us including the disallowed try, I would say that we deserved a draw and should have had it.

WTF were we thinking in the penultimate set that we had. It was a cert drop goal from 10 yards out and we went for glory.

Bad decision not to take the draw and be content. Even the HKR fans must have thought WTF have they done in just throwing the game away.

A draw would have kept the unbeaten home run going and was the least we deserved.

It wasn't great rugby but we showed a lot of heart and the kids played very well indeed.

Disappointed as it could have still been 23 years or whatever since they beat us at home.

: Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:26 pm  

ST_CONROY wrote:

Smith was not that bad. He can only call what he sees, he doesn't make things up.

We were terrible for the most part. Smith gave a few contentious decisions to Hull KR, as happens every game. Hull KR did enough to win, and fully deserved to.

What cost us was not Smith, it was Longy runnung around like a headless chicken on the last tackle when he should have set-us up for a drop goal.


Congratulations to Hull, they fully deserved it.

A referee can quite easily make things up, especially when it is not on TV. He can claim to have seen something that never happened, which Smith seemed to do a few times.

: Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:28 pm  

Big Dave Fairleigh wrote:

On our second half performance with a LOT of tough calls against us including the disallowed try, I would say that we deserved a draw and should have had it.

WTF were we thinking in the penultimate set that we had. It was a cert drop goal from 10 yards out and we went for glory.

Bad decision not to take the draw and be content. Even the HKR fans must have thought WTF have they done in just throwing the game away.

A draw would have kept the unbeaten home run going and was the least we deserved.

It wasn't great rugby but we showed a lot of heart and the kids played very well indeed.

Disappointed as it could have still been 23 years or whatever since they beat us at home.

Sometimes it goes for you, sometimes it doesn't. If we'd have scored then everyone would have been saying it was a great decision, it just needed a good kick and we would have won the game. Theres no saying that the drop goal would have gone over, like i say, sometimes they go for you, other times they don't.